According to the polls, both Biden and Trump will inevitably be nominated but neither Biden nor Trump can win.
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How Taylor Swift or Elvis become President
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Uh-huh-huh! Thank you, thank you very much.
I looked forward to seeing the White House (Taylor's Version).
I would 100% prefer TayTay to Biden or trump...
Plus, it would really piss off all the "moderate" Dems because they refuse to admit Clinton couldnt win because of anything besides her gender.
I am most assuredly HRCs biggest fan on this entire site, and she lost because her name was dragged through the mud for over a decade before 2016. People still say "Benghazi" as if they know or care about what Benghazi is.
Her sex had nothing to do with it.
It’s funny the right is getting pissed about smearing Trump’s name, but he’s the one who has and they pioneered it with Hillary.
Same with cancel culture but boycotting target or bud light is okay.
I’m starting to think they are hypocrites.
Why the downvotes? Is it the Taylor haters, the Clinton haters, or the women haters?
I don't know many people these days who will ever talk favorably about a politician, because inevitably you'll look like an idiot for it. But we'll still vote for the guy.
You act like that's the voters fault....
Not wanting either candidate but still voting for the lesser evil is basically our entire political system.
And it's the result of letting two "private parties" dominate our political landscape. We can't elect who we want, we can only pick between two options that both side with corporate profits over citizens the vast majority of the time.
And both parties love pointing out how primaries really don't matter. They can run anyone they want in the general and we just have to deal with it.
Absolutely 0 Republican leaders even like Trump. Your vote absolutely matters lol
It's not anyone's 'fault'. I'm just saying people have learned that even the politician you like the most will do something you and your social circle won't approve of and people are aware of that more than ever because social media leaves a record behind now.
I’m just saying people have learned that even the politician you like the most will do something you and your social circle won’t approve of and people are aware of that more than ever because social media leaves a record behind now.
I mean Bernie and AOC are two examples that leap to mind to disprove your opinion
Bernie Sanders did not vote on an amendment to the Patriot Act that would have forbidden the government from secretly collecting information about internet browsing and search history data without a warrant. The amendment failed by one vote, and Sanders was one of four senators who did not vote on it.
He also is a supporter of the F-35 program, which has a price tag of 1 trillion dollars.
AOC is still new, and the day will come when she has to do something unpopular for the sake of her political career or some longer term goal.
All I'm saying is, don't put people on pedestals.
Bernie Sanders did not vote on an amendment to the Patriot Act
Can you be specific?
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-releases/sanders-votes-against-patriot-act-extension/
“I voted against extending the Patriot Act today for the same reason I voted against enacting it in 2001: it gives the government far too much power to spy on innocent United States citizens and provides for very little oversight or disclosure. While we must aggressively pursue international terrorists and all of those who would do us harm, we must do it in a way that protects the Constitution and the civil liberties which make us proud to be Americans.”
That's the only result I'm seeing.... Maybe if you could give me the year if you can't find an article?
And the F35 stuff seems to be he got a base and manufacturing in Vermont.... That was going to some east coast state, you're making it sound like he pushed for the F35 to exist in the first place...
The outcome is especially frustrating since four senators didn’t vote on the amendment at all, and at least one would have voted yes. Lamar Alexander couldn’t vote because he’s quarantined. Two others — Ben Sasse and Bernie Sanders — didn’t respond to request for comment on where they were during the vote.
https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/5/13/21257481/wyden-freedom-patriot-act-amendment-mcconnell
That's because someone will get into power regardless of whether you vote or not and it's better to vote for the lesser of two evils than the greater. Yes, it is important to push for better candidates, but when it comes to Election Day, you can't really say "Well, it's A or B, but I really want C."
Also, while both political parties have their faults, this is by no means "Both Sides Are Equally Awful." I like using a taxi analogy. You're on 8th Street and want to go to 2nd Street. Before you are two taxis: A Blue Taxi and the Red Taxi. Neither taxi will take you to 2nd Street. The Blue one will take you to 4th Street. The Red one will take you in the opposite direction, to 20th Street, before driving you off a cliff.
As I said before, not choosing isn't an option as then others will decide which taxi you go into. Therefore you need to choose which cab to go into. Now, neither is ideal, but it's a lot easier to go from 4th Street to your original destination than from the bottom of a cliff near 20th Street. Therefore, the Blue one is the better pick even if it's not a perfect choice.
It's weird that a criminal dictator in the making like donnie can have any support at all, but that's the sad state of humanity, I guess.
Yup humans suck.
Stop that
These followers are systematically bred through the system of the US to do and think these things.
And that’s not to say we can’t educate and flip the tide. NO MOAR NEGATOR, ONLY POSI VIBES 😤😤
Defeated feelings are how you lose
Pffft. You call them “human”.
Dehumanizing is a slippery slope. Don't let yourself fall down that rabbit hole.
At the end of the day, they're still people. They may make dumbshit decisions and choices, but they're human beings none the less
Absolutely true. But also, as soon as we believe "no true human could do something like this" we're opening ourselves up to being blindsided by another human doing that.
Very true. It's a balancing act. Expect the worst but strive for the best
Do not dehumanize people like they do. Leave uncouth behavior to the fascists.
The poll surveyed 1,000 registered voters between Sept. 19-20, and had the margin of error varied across questions, reported as 3 percentage points. Numbers have been rounded.
Who were these registered voters? What was the demographics breakdown? How were they contacted? What was the methodology? Were the questions loaded?
Of course, the press never asks any of this.
That’s a great point. I’d also like to throw in the question “what kind of person stops to answer these polls?”. I don’t feel like younger folks are going to be quite as keen. Politics as an identity tends to be an older generational thing.
I'm not even young. I'm 46. I'm not going to waste my time with a poll. I have shit to do.
Also, most polls are taken via phone call, which makes the disconnect even worse.
Exactly. Who answers an unknown number on their phone? Boomers and fools.
For a while, a lot of polls only contacted landline phones, but who has landlines anymore?
This is the biggest issues I have with pills right now. The younger demos don't answer phones, so the responses are going to be skewed, and I can't imagine there are many places that can reasonably do in person polling with any kind of reasonable mixes of demos.
Of course, the press never asks any of this.
The horse race reporters might not, but pollsters do. They worry about this sort of thing a lot, and try to correct for it, when possible.
Fine, let's see the poll and see if it answers all of my questions, because this article sure didn't.
Here's a link to the the actual poll including the questions asked.
https://www.newsnationnow.com/polls/newsnation-poll-on-gop-primary-race-economy/
Thank you.
Have you tried finding it?
There's a link below to the poll questions, but it doesn't say how the people were contacted. Given the answers about if they are voting for a Republican or Democrat and more worried about Biden's mental health over Trump's, I'm pretty sure these were phone calls, which of course, aren't accurate of the whole populace. It's all bullshit if you rely only on who picks up the phone.
On the other hand...The seven candidates on the Republican presidential debate stage last night are collectively polling at around 37% — a full 16 points below Donald Trump
I was traveling through central and eastern Washington State yesterday and I discovered a few new roadside Trump support banners up. At a restaurant in Ellensburg I saw two guys wearing Trump hats. These were a new style, not the famous one. Why do the farming communities still see Trump as a good leader? Mind boggling. The rural Washington voter is constantly voting against their own best interests and I don't mind asking them why but it never fails to come down to some bullshit right wing propaganda that is easy to point out but because I don't believe the propaganda, and question them about it, I become part of the problem. And discussing it usually just leads to them digging their heels in deeper.
You'll never, ever, change the pov of a cultist if you reveal yourself as an outsider. You have to play the angle of being one of them or being undecided. It helps if you're genuine about it and make yourself open to their ideas.
That being said, some people are illogical and can only be convinced out of a cult by using the same faulty logic that'd got them in. E.g: "Trump is deep state controlled opposition's but he doesn't know.".
I don’t think I probably need to say this but, be careful about opening yourself to cult logic if you’re not steady in your own beliefs.
This is how you flip fence dwellers into cult followers js.
You should see YouTube comments. On second thought... Just take my word for it.
Cult, bruh.
If America had a collective functioning brain, he would be at 100% and NASA would have researched how to launch him into the sun.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Former President Trump’s unfavorability among registered voters has topped 55 percent, according to a new poll.
A NewsNation/Decision Desk HQ poll found roughly 44 percent had a “very unfavorable” view of Trump, the highest such rating across the other seven GOP contenders tested.
Trump’s numbers come as he faces a myriad of legal battles, including multiple criminal indictments, while he campaigns to return for another four years in the White House.
Citing his significant lead in polling, he skipped the first GOP presidential debate and plans to do so for the second debate on Wednesday night, as his fellow 2024 Republican contenders gather in Simi Valley, Calif.
Hutchinson didn’t make the cut for the party’s second debate stage in California.
The poll surveyed 1,000 registered voters between Sept. 19-20, and had the margin of error varied across questions, reported as 3 percentage points.
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