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[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't know many people these days who will ever talk favorably about a politician, because inevitably you'll look like an idiot for it. But we'll still vote for the guy.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You act like that's the voters fault....

Not wanting either candidate but still voting for the lesser evil is basically our entire political system.

And it's the result of letting two "private parties" dominate our political landscape. We can't elect who we want, we can only pick between two options that both side with corporate profits over citizens the vast majority of the time.

And both parties love pointing out how primaries really don't matter. They can run anyone they want in the general and we just have to deal with it.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Absolutely 0 Republican leaders even like Trump. Your vote absolutely matters lol

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not anyone's 'fault'. I'm just saying people have learned that even the politician you like the most will do something you and your social circle won't approve of and people are aware of that more than ever because social media leaves a record behind now.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m just saying people have learned that even the politician you like the most will do something you and your social circle won’t approve of and people are aware of that more than ever because social media leaves a record behind now.

I mean Bernie and AOC are two examples that leap to mind to disprove your opinion

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bernie Sanders did not vote on an amendment to the Patriot Act that would have forbidden the government from secretly collecting information about internet browsing and search history data without a warrant. The amendment failed by one vote, and Sanders was one of four senators who did not vote on it.

He also is a supporter of the F-35 program, which has a price tag of 1 trillion dollars.

AOC is still new, and the day will come when she has to do something unpopular for the sake of her political career or some longer term goal.

All I'm saying is, don't put people on pedestals.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bernie Sanders did not vote on an amendment to the Patriot Act

Can you be specific?

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-releases/sanders-votes-against-patriot-act-extension/

“I voted against extending the Patriot Act today for the same reason I voted against enacting it in 2001: it gives the government far too much power to spy on innocent United States citizens and provides for very little oversight or disclosure. While we must aggressively pursue international terrorists and all of those who would do us harm, we must do it in a way that protects the Constitution and the civil liberties which make us proud to be Americans.”

That's the only result I'm seeing.... Maybe if you could give me the year if you can't find an article?

And the F35 stuff seems to be he got a base and manufacturing in Vermont.... That was going to some east coast state, you're making it sound like he pushed for the F35 to exist in the first place...

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 0 points 1 year ago

The outcome is especially frustrating since four senators didn’t vote on the amendment at all, and at least one would have voted yes. Lamar Alexander couldn’t vote because he’s quarantined. Two others — Ben Sasse and Bernie Sanders — didn’t respond to request for comment on where they were during the vote.

https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/5/13/21257481/wyden-freedom-patriot-act-amendment-mcconnell

[–] TechyDad@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

That's because someone will get into power regardless of whether you vote or not and it's better to vote for the lesser of two evils than the greater. Yes, it is important to push for better candidates, but when it comes to Election Day, you can't really say "Well, it's A or B, but I really want C."

Also, while both political parties have their faults, this is by no means "Both Sides Are Equally Awful." I like using a taxi analogy. You're on 8th Street and want to go to 2nd Street. Before you are two taxis: A Blue Taxi and the Red Taxi. Neither taxi will take you to 2nd Street. The Blue one will take you to 4th Street. The Red one will take you in the opposite direction, to 20th Street, before driving you off a cliff.

As I said before, not choosing isn't an option as then others will decide which taxi you go into. Therefore you need to choose which cab to go into. Now, neither is ideal, but it's a lot easier to go from 4th Street to your original destination than from the bottom of a cliff near 20th Street. Therefore, the Blue one is the better pick even if it's not a perfect choice.