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I've embraced existentialism. Finally found a definition of spituality I could digest and apply: "How you emotionally relate to the world." Since then, I let my primitive, primate brain do things like feel jealousy and be wrong about things. Pretty freeing
Was this made by an AI?
We must imagine Sisyphus happy.
Life has as much meaning as we give it, humans think life has inherent meaning, ergo life has meaning.
Let's start thinking that cooperation has meaning, that the divine plan is for us to realize that everything around is what life should not be and that all of it is a choice we make every day
But it may stop observing itself. And as the part of the universe that does that, I'd dislike i5
Does this mean I can say racial slurs ironically
but like what if we really hated other people based on superficial traits and stuff? That could be kinda cool
Can I throw rocks at them?
Sounds like a fun game. Maybe we could also include some kind of points system where everyone played excessively complex and very RNG heavy minigames and either won or lost points based on how well they did.
Then we could also implement people looking down upon those with less points or getting really worked up about people with a lot of them.
I mean, if earth vanished the moon would fuck off somewhere
"Evolution is blind" is debatable. Arguably, we evolved to fit an environment. We are survivors.
It clicked for me when I heard it's a non-random selection of random mutations
I'll go farther and say that its wrong. Evolution may be a random walk, but random walk is a method of getting places. Evolution random walks to the next needed feature. Evolution is not at all blind.
I’ll go farther and say that its wrong.
Well, it's debatable but I think it comes down to defining your terms.
Either perspective agrees that there is no "Grand Architect" and/or "God's Plan" which I think is the general point being made. But it's just a little distracting.
evolution is blind because all of it is an accident. life forms that survive long enough to make more life forms get their genes to live on. any life form that doesn't, well, doesn't. better survivability because of an error in copying genes? more offspring. worse survivability? less offspring
there is no intention to evolution, it's simply a consequence of the fact that some primitive life forms at some point felt a desire to copy their genes and the process of doing so is imperfect. That desire, probably a product of random copying itself, is what made all living things today
On what basis comes the conclusion that there is no architect behind it?
Do students in elementary school understand why they have all the subjects? Do students in secondary school understand yet, that if they want to pursue higher education as an engineer they need good math and physics? Do students who prefer the humanities yet understand the focus of studies such as sociology vs. anthropology vs. ethnology? Does me as an engineer not understanding why i had to learn how to analyze poems in grade 7-10 invalidate the necessity of that education for someone who later studied linguistics and literature?
Us not being able to comprehend an architecture does not mean it is not there. In the same way, before there were microscopes bacteria still existed, even though many early proponents of there being small life forms that would cause diseases were ridiculed.
Opposing religion is not scientific. Any good scientist understands the limits of his knowledge. Opposing religion is a matter of faith just as embracing religion is a matter of faith.
Requiring evidence for any religious claims that are made is not "opposing religion". When religious claims can be proven using the scientific method, then opposing religion in science will be unscientific.
Currently the best explanation for evolution does not include anything religious.
On what basis comes the conclusion that there is no architect behind it?
That's a great point - if there are divine beings, they wouldn't necessarily build the universe using a bunch of elves or something -- better to spark a Big Bang with the right starting conditions and let everything develop from there. I think it's more correct to say that evolution and modern physical cosmology provide an explanation of how and why the universe exists without necessarily needing divine intervention.
It's blind because in nature, it often fucks up, and the extreme fuck ups die off without continuing the process.
Which is, I think, exactly what happened to the homo sapiens branch. Dinosaurs lasted hundreds of millions of years, we are barely at 300k and we are killing ourselves. Dead end. (For us)
It's true that we evolved in response to an environment, but the actual genetic changes that allowed for that were not developed with purpose. They happened randomly, and the ones that happened to provide a benefit made those individuals more likely to have more kids that those with less beneficial random changes.
We can choose what we live for, and that's the most meaningful thing I can think of
No we can't. Choice is an illusion.
Prove it
I mean, it would change the orbits of other bodies within our solar system, but that's it.
And it literally wouldn't have Earth any more.
'"Existance is pain!" -Mr. Meseeks' - Michael Scott...
Let's go boys, time to speed run mankind's extinction with global warming!
DPR knows what's up.
We know, but we can choose to carry on anyway in spite of it, revile in the absurdity, dance in the moonlight and be very very French.
Existential Dread: SOLVED!
Well yes, sadly, we can't embrace a cosmic perspective, because it's not ours. We can have a human perspective though.
The four horsemen of you meant shit.
If from a scientific perspective, life is devoid of meaning, why is science important? It may be important to us, but why is anything important to us important at all then?
Wouldn't it be equally meaningless?
Wouldn't truth also be meaningless?
Wouldn't getting worked up about this or any other comment be even more, yet paradoxically, equally meaningless?
If all of these things are meaningless, then why do anything in response?
Perhaps meaning is something that is inherently subjective because it requires purpose and value? Perhaps the most important things, such as what is essentially valuable, is something that we just decide or feel, without there being a lot of science to do around it and therefore can never be understood in objective and therefore scientific terms? Maybe science is great for understanding the known, but fails as knowing the evident yet unseen?
idk why people keep falling under the impression that science will provide them with meaning. It's not a religion. it won't. It's merely a tool imo.
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The flaw in all of this sophomoric philosophic whinging is that it mostly tends to start off with the presupposition that all of these concepts aren't just human constructs. The only reason anything has meaning to us is because we decided it does.
The purpose of life is life itself.
Nothing we are or do has any meaning to the universe. But our lives and actions have meaning to ourselves. And science is important for humanity. The universe doesn't care if we develop science or not, but we care. There's no great universal narrative where we play any role, but we do write our own narrative for ourselves and those to come.
So if I'm understanding correctly, since we ourselves care about something, that is what provides it with meaning? Because meaning is entirely subjective? So the fact that we hold something very dear by definition makes it meaningful, regardless if anything or anyone tells us it's meaningless? And that meaning is what keep ourselves and those who come going cause there's no universal narrative?
idk it sounds to me that you're suggesting that people could just find anything meaningful and it would be equally valid. Very unscientific if you ask me.... :P
people could just find anything meaningful and it would be equally valid
From an evolutionary standpoint, sure. As long as the species keeps going, evolution doesn't care how.
But from our own desire of self-improvement, some paths are better than others.
better in what regard? Cause what's improvement? Cause what's a 'good' desire? You see where this is going, I'm sure.
Yes, not all people are of the same opinion on what is better. Or even that we need to improve in the first place.
The4e is always room for improvement imo.
I don't think that subjective means arbitrary. A book may mean different things to different people, but that doesn't mean that one interpretation is as good as any other. Or that reason is abandoned in the process of forming a subjective idea.
I like your take and couldn't agree more.