ITT: Bunch of assholes telling you "have you tried to NOT having a cold" when your nose is clearly leaking.
If you don't understand how it feels to be lonely, any advice you give is awful and full of entitlement.
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It's true that I know most most of advices from this thread. I'm also know that I should to use them, and I try but it's hard IRL. Sometimes I just break up like today and every answer to me is like getting in contact with some human. Satisfy some social need idk
I understand, sometimes you just need to scream and rant. It is a good thing.
When I get anxiety this hard, I usually take a very long walk until I get exhausted, so I could think for myself instead of hearing my subconscious how awful things are.
After taking a break, you'll notice that this voice is always emotional, with 0 logic, full of exaggerated negativity, and will try to convince you that "this is how you die today", which is pretty much bullshit and incredibly unrealistic. For me at least, that voice will always try focus on the worst in people. When I feel alone is pretty much this.
Sometimes I get a crazy though like telling me "you're done, dead, there is no going back" for something so trivial as remembering I have to take the dog out tomorrow (not now or yesterday, tomorrow). There is no win unless you ignore it and push through. And even if you commit, it's still fucking hard.
In the ADHD community, a lot of sound advice for building good habits and coping mechanisms overlaps a lot with "just don't have ADHD" advice because the advice still works, even if it's significantly harder to pull off with ADHD.
There's less overlap for depression, but there still is some between sound advice and "just don't be sad lol".
I'm sure there's some overlap in this case for lonliness.
One of the tough things about this stuff is that it is very easy to convince yourself that nobody understands what you're going through, so when you don't see immediate results from advice that means they're just wrong and there's nothing you can do. The most important piece of advice is to never give up.
All that said, if everyone in this thread is giving bad advice that shows they don't understand, you're implying that you do understand. So where's your advice?
Or did you just comment to discourage people from trying to help and leave OP to suffer?
Or did you just comment to discourage people from trying to help and leave OP to suffer?
Sure dude, both discouraging people from "helping" (lol) and leaving OP to suffer are obviously the same thing. /s
First of all: OP didn't ask for advice. Second: I'm discouraging people from giving bad advice.
I can relate to OPs suffering. I know is though, and I undestand on my own experience how OP feels. I know that the only solution for it's like another commenter said: "get used to it". OP probably knows this too.
With some projection from me, I can assume he's only trying to rant over this, thats why OP ~~asked~~ said it on this sub. That's why he hasn't answered other comments beside hobbies. OP is trying to relate to people this way.
So when people show up full of self-indulgence thinking "OP ~NEEDS~ MY ADVICE", then it’s clear those comments are more for themselves than for OP. So congrats, you’ve given yourselves a pat on the back. If that’s your attitude, you can fuck off.
What helped me was realising there are many people are just as lonely as me. When I force myself to engage, in little ways (even as much as a hello), people seem to take it as an opportunity to speak and it's quite nice.
I told a quiet neighbour merry Christmas the other day, and he was more animated than I'd ever seen him.
I'm not saying this will help you, though I hope it has some positive bearing as a consideration.
You just better get used to it. When I was a teen people tell you that I'll come, don't rush things... Almost 20 years later and things are worse than ever.
"But get a hobby!" Guys, you can't just fake interest in something just to know people. Some of us just DON'T want interesting lives, I just like gaming and that isolation it gave up only made things worse. Especially where I live where no adult has these type of hobbies
Join a club or organization or volunteer somewhere. It has to be in person and you have to go even if at first you aren't comfortable.
All the friends people make at school are happy accidents of proximity and chance. Same with coworker friends. You have to make some luck for yourself, put yourself in situations where you will regularly see the same people and get to know them through what you are doing.
Also, don't focus on romance, focus on friendship. Romance will come naturally - not forced.
I know this does not come easy for most people in your situation. It feels stupid and awkward but chance and circumstances play a huge role in making friends.
Where do I find clubs? Been searching for an answer ever since the library in my city didn't even have a bulletin board
That requires a highly regional specific answer. I could give a dozen answers, but did you ask the librarian for help? In the US a librarian should be able to help you figure it out for your city.
Good advice, but from personal experience, romance does not come naturally.
I know that it's not true for some people, but many people want love more than they want friends, and their constant seeking love cause otherwise simple friendships to get awkward and fizzle out.
Maybe, but to those who romance would appear naturally when in a friends group, they would not be in this position in the first place.
Yes, this is about the people who it does not come naturally to. I'm saying surrounding yourself with friends will help with loneliness and friends can either become romantic interests OR better yet they introduce you to people you may get interested in.
Don't overthink it. We can't give advice to solve all of someone's problems. We can get them in a better spot though.
Probability, chance. Do things that regularly put you face to face with people and you will have many more opportunities to make friends and meet love interests.
That is one of my favorite angles when trying to lift up someone who is discouraged about dating or friendship. Our minds are not equipped to really understand just how big the world is. There are a functionally infinite amount of people to meet. Even if you filtered humanity down to fluent speakers of your language, your preferred gender, close in age, you're probably looking at more introductions / blind dates than you could ever possibly accommodate in your lifetime. It sounds trite to say "there are always more fish in the sea" but you can always keep trying.
Exactly, you don't gain anything forcing yourself like that
What are you looking for in one?
Well we can be all lonely, here, TOGETHER! 🤗
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It's not just loneliness, my friend. It's a brutal cycle. A prophecy foretold, one that you'll probably have to get up and break with some difficult to find laughter and energy in a social setting. This doesn't necessarily mean go to places. Find a Discord group, for instance.
Hell, I started Jiu Jitsu 1. Because I need to lose weight and 2. Because I'd like to be around people at least some of the time when I'm not working.
I also recommend martial arts, especially for socially awkward people, lessons are very directed so you don't have to worry about what to do with your hands. There's a style for everyone, artistic, traditional, competitive, self-defense etc...
I read this like you started Jiu Jitsu 1 because you needed to lose weight and Jiu Jitsu 2 (the sequel) to meet people.
Tbh, every Jiu Jitsu class feels like a sequel. Arm Lock 2: The JJ Electric Boogaloo - Tap or Die.
Probably was just an update of 1
Find a hobby you enjoy, even if it isn't a social hobby. Get involved in that. Get involved in the community around it, whether that's local or online. Start talking to people, find other common interests. Branch off into those interests with small groups from your hobby, or new groups entirely.
I don't know you, so this isn't a judgement of you or your situation, but people don't like one-dimensional people. Find a variety of things you enjoy doing just for yourself that isn't just video games or YouTube or tv, and then find spaces where people talk about those things. Start going to a gym or taking fitness classes, or join a hobby painting group, or a TCG/board game group, or a book club, or a jogging/biking group, or a crochet circle. Volunteer at local food banks or animal shelters.
Meeting a variety of people and having different, interesting things to talk to them about will help you make friends. Making friends will help you meet potential partners and practice communication skills to make the relationship work. It isn't always easy or fast, but everything I've found a partner it was after I told myself "you know what, I'm don't waiting for friends and companionship to fall in my lap. I'm going to go out and make it happen, or at least have fun on my own if I can't find others to have fun with".
Yeah I have only a very generic hobbies like games, books, rock and travelling when I have money to do it. But it's usually a cheap journey by bus with sleeping in cheap hostel etc. Without any luxuries as insert girls on tinder and expect such trips from men. I'm study finance part-time and work also, I have limited time for new hobbies. Also I still have to spend some time every day for learning English cause you see as it is :)
I'm going to add some additional advice as far as the "incel mindset": Get off tinder.
Tinder isn't meant for making lasting relationships, no matter what the marketing team claims. From it's inception it has been used almost exclusively for people to hook up. Casual sex. There are couples that got started through Tinder, but those are rarer.
Sites and services like Tinder turn dating into a "meat market". Really sit and think for a moment about just how little you learn of a person from their Tinder profile. It's almost all superficial and appearance based.
Why would someone spend even a few seconds on "Average McBigNose" when they can swipe a few times and be looking at "Chad McThunderCock", spending time on "Julia BigForehead" when they're potentially moments away from "Anorexia FCups". It boils down aspects of everyone involved to an almost entirely appearance based first impression. That's not fair or healthy for self esteem.
If you feel you need to use dating sites, try using some that have more fuller profiles, big long personality quizes, and that don't have an entire design philosophy and UI built around knee-jerk reactions of yes or no.
Additionally, a lot of things depend on how you portray or frame it. Try to give as much as possible a positive spin, even internally. Fake it if you need to.
You don't just travel cheaply.
You enjoy travelling, but you try to do it frugally (frugal is effectively the socially acceptable version of cheap) so you can save money for other things. Avoiding expensive travel arrangements keeps you closer to the ground and allows you to more naturally and honestly experience the places you go, really immerse yourself in the places.
Traveling by bus takes longer, but it gives you more time to think deeply about the people and places around you, time to read, time to recharge. When you get to your destination your mind is clear and ready to focus on the experience without much mental baggage from work or home.
English language practice groups would give you a boost on learning and a potential pool of people who might be friend candidates.
I second others' advice on friends first, not romance. Romantic relationships are friendships on super hard mode. Don't target romantic relationships if you haven't figured out friendships yet.
Also this:
Without any luxuries as insert girls on tinder and expect such trips from men
... makes you sound like an incel sad sack. Stop it. Literally, stop right now and don't go down that road any further. There are few red flags that burn brighter than this sort of opinion. It will scare both potential romantic partners and friends off. If you are consuming incel/red pill media, stop before it fucks up your brain even more.
Seconding what this guy said about the incel mindset. There is nothing less attractive than selfpity and blaming others. Everyone knows life is hard and people suck. They want to be around people who haven't given up. It gives them more energy to keep trying.
That's the truth though, if you are "money" relationship and company will come. Tinder and others work better for rich assholes. It's ok to "give up" when the game is rigged
See, like this. Don't be like this.
My dude, you don't want those women, if you see too many of them on tinder then try something else. Even if it sucks and is hard. Throwing your hands in the air and giving up will get you nothing except exploited by people who want to take advantage of your anger.
No... And I'm not stupid I don't use those apps, they ask for too much money anyways
My first 'real vacation' after the 2008 housing market crash where I lost my ass I went to meet up with some people in our (old forum days) off road for total of a week off.
I spent money on gas, shared a camping site with another dude form my area -10$/night split, site was big enough for our 2 tents, plus fire pit & had a shower/shitter building at the front). I packed a lot of food but went shopping for groceries/beer.
Had a big ol time, and I had never met any of them face to face. Most of us were back the next year, and most of us still keep in touch.
You don't need to be an expert at anything, (I am not mechanically inclined, nor had I ever off roaded much, I traded mod work for food because I cook, and when I got into trouble everyone else had the toys to get me out) just find a thing and see who is weird enough to invest their time and energy into it.
Games, books, music, and travel are all great hobbies to find people to tall about as well, though! You just have to find ways to make them social. Sitting and playing CoD alone or with random match making aren't great ways to meet people, but getting involved in a discord server is a better way to meet people. Better still if you can find a local, in-person group that hosts meet-ups.
But if you want to meet people amd make friends, you need to make time to meet people and form relationships with them.
I don't have the solution for you.
I experienced what you are talking about. I kind of solved it via dating.
You wrote that you are studying. Do you also have a job? That could be an opportunity to get to know people.
Would love to meet new people too but I m too autistic and so I have maxout the hobbies side of myself so I don't have time ^^.(I have to work on this because loneliness will catch me up one day)
If you want people to reach out to you and want to spend time with you than you need to be the sort of person who people want to reach out to and want to spend time with.
Are there hobbygroups in your area? Keep the focus on the shared hobby and get to meet people through said mutual interest, don't focus on being there to make friends. Since the former leads to better relationships.
Only some gym, and 2-3 restaurants. It's a small town in middle of Europe. I have to drive about 100km to university by train every weekend because I study part-time.
Same, but I don't even study and my temporary place of work is full of people I don't like. So I understand how fucked that situation is.
Yeah I also don't like people at my work. I work as forklift operator and there people are mostly older than me and they live only this work. Their laught on me cause I study and I'm "smart". I didn't even talk much, I'm quiet, so I don't know why they think I'm smug
But you are going to university. That is a HUGE opportunity to make connections. See if there are any clubs or activities you could be a part of. Try to give some things a try, even if you're only sort of sure whether you will like it. Make small talk with your peers! It doesn't take much to get friendships going when you have regular proximity to people and find some that share your interests.
Yes sometimes I try to talk with someone, sometimes it's enforced by teachers when do we have to finish group work. Meeting people in university is ok but I still feel like my age is a hindrance. I'm 27yo when my groupmates are all in their early 20s. I feel old to them, especially when it comes to women. I have a few people I talk to when I'm at university, but still, I only talk to them at university.
Well, that's a good starting point. The age thing probably isn't as big a deal as you think, but there are probably other people close to your age studying there too, it might just be a little harder to find them.
I guess all I can say is keep putting yourself out there, and don't focus too hard on anything more serious than friendships while you're feeling lonely. Be kind to yourself and I think the rest will follow
I still feel like my age is a hindrance. I’m 27yo when my groupmates are all in their early 20s. I feel old to them, especially when it comes to women.
I was in a similar situation during my first round of grad school. In retrospect, there was no need for me to feel self-conscious. A lot of guys are still pretty immature in their early 20s. By comparison, a guy in their late 20s can be mature and reliable.
Sucks, don't it. I can help with the dating apps though. Ping me if you want to chat.
How can you help me?
I can't completely relate as im that type of person who never gets enough alone time for my liking. My idea of a good time is a two hour hot bath or taking a nice walk through a natural setting or just being left with my thoughts. That being said while I may have a smaller social tank and my mileage on it is super efficient. Everyone needs companionship every so often. Alls I can say is I met my wife at a sci fi convention so basically while being part of an interest I enjoyed. I have nice neighbors but you know I will bring the mail to their door (its a condo) when its on the way and most christmasses I got something and left it for xmass at their doors. I do not put signage but after a few years they figure it out (did not this year but they know im between jobs so Im betting they will understand). I have a dog I walk and meet folks while walking her. We have a regular mail man (actually did not for awhile as the lady retired and then we got like temps till a new regular got the route), super, and more often than not when the elevator breaks we get the same guy who I am just getting to the point of recognizing and hes pretty social and affable so will take a view minutes to chat as he goes between gigs. I liked the arc mmos (champions and star trek online) although I don't do them anymore. Those are tough because you have to do some major blocking before the chats are civil. I mean its not hard as the low hanging fruit of folks just blasting explicatives or derogatory stuff or whatever improves it massively and then over the long term you figure out the sneakier troll types. Worked much better in champions which had a smaller more intimate community. Tons a furries though so you have to be an open minded type but they kept most of the furry rp to dedicated channels so its not like the local one was filled with it. I recently did some pathfiner 2E doing play by discourd and met some very nice folks. Someone posted in the pathfinder community that a guy was doing begginers box sessions folks could sign up for till the new year. Most of my talk has been about now but you know I was living at a place where on one side of me was the family that was the core of the local gang and the other was a slumlord. two properties down though had some really nice folks. so you can pick and choose the neighbors you associate with. I don't know if any of this will help but I hope it does.