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The Vatican on Monday declared gender-affirming surgery and surrogacy as grave violations of human dignity, putting them on par with abortion and euthanasia as practices that reject God’s plan for human life.

The Vatican’s doctrine office issued “Infinite Dignity,” a 20-page declaration that has been in the works for five years. After substantial revision in recent months, it was approved March 25 by Pope Francis, who ordered its publication.

In its most eagerly anticipated section, the Vatican repeated its rejection of “gender theory,” or the idea that one’s gender can be changed. It said God created man and woman as biologically different, separate beings, and said people must not tinker with that plan or try to “make oneself God.”

“It follows that any sex-change intervention, as a rule, risks threatening the unique dignity the person has received from the moment of conception,” the document said.

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[–] ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.ml 117 points 8 months ago (5 children)

It took them five years to whip up a measly 20 pages of dipshittery? Magic space daddy is free to come down here himself and choke on my girl dick if they take such offense to me. Show up quick though I've got The Surgery™️ in two months. My unique dignity is I do whatever the fuck I want to with my body, and if god didn't want that for me shouldn't have given me the damn thing in the first place

Also I love that they're like "don't modify your precious god given body!" and in the same breath say intersex people should be "corrected". Fuck these ghouls and fuck anyone who supports them

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 65 points 8 months ago

If God wanted the Pope to read, he would have given him better eyes. Take those things off right now, Mr. Pope. Glasses are an affront to God.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 33 points 8 months ago

"don't modify your precious god given body!"

"No doctor, you must not remove that child's appendix! All parts of the body are made in god's image, and if god wanted this child's appendix to develop appendicitis, it is surely part of god's plan!"

[–] mrfriki@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago (5 children)

It’s much easier, if God wanted us to do something instead of any other things then why the fuck will give us free will, instead of making a bunch of robots.

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[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 113 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And if anyone knows about violating human dignity, it's the Pope.

[–] exanime@lemmy.today 20 points 8 months ago

....and his children diddling army of minions

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 68 points 8 months ago (3 children)

So…god did not plan for the reality of the fluidity of genders? The all powerful all knowing god did not account for this in his plan?

[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 35 points 8 months ago

Hey...shut up.

-Pope.

[–] FoxyFerengi@lemm.ee 30 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

The Torah has eleven genders in it. The Jewish God is supposed to be the same one as the Catholic God, so clearly they haven't read up on their own history

Edit: it's the Talmud and it's 8, my bad

[–] ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

What's fascinating there is that not only does the Talmud identify eight genders, but two of them specify having changed their gender presentation through human intervention - precisely the type of intervention that the Pope is decrying here.

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[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 56 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Fuck Pope Francis. Love that he said "no its okay to do genital surgery on babies (literally less than 2 years old) if they don't match what we decided was right for them". Intersex people can just go fuck themselves in the Pope's view I guess.

0 fucking consistency to any of their bullshit rhetoric. I think God's core message is actually to shut the fuck up and let medical professionals address people's health problems.

GRS literally saved my life. I would literally be dead if not for it. Transitioning allowed me to live a happy, fulfilled life. Anyone who tries to say that I shouldn't have been able to transition, or should be forced to detransition, is unironically literally saying that I should be fucking dead. No part of me is a man. If God existed, then me as I am today was always his plan and design for me. Because otherwise he's just a fucking asshole who literally created me just to suffer and die. If such a God existed I would have no qualms openly defying his creation, because no human being should be driven to suicide over something that real medical treatments exist for.

“ideological colonization”

The unbelievable fucking audacity for the catholic God damn church to accuse trans people of colonizing is so fucking wild. Such an unbelievable thing to say as someone who's the head of an organization that goes around the world "converting people from their heathen religions to Christianity". But somehow spreadings trans rights to be themselves and receive medical treatments that save their lives is "colonization". I'll tell that to the tens of thousands of dead native children buried outside catholic residential schools.

[–] ours@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Glad you are now happy with yourself. Indeed, how should anyone but yourself tell you who you are?

Adults of sound mind should have the right to do to their body what they wish for whatever reason they wish. It's nobody else's business. But we can't expect most ingrained religions or conservatives to accept this.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The problem is that millions of people think that the Pope has a direct line to their god and if the Pope says being trans is in violation of their god's plan, they're not going to be good to trans people and some religious trans people, especially the ones who aren't out, will be driven further into the closet due to the self-hate.

The whole idea of a high pontiff is pretty terrifying. Look at the Crusades. How many people were killed because the Pope said to go kill them and people following him did what he ordered? There's well over a billion Catholics. If the Pope said to rise up and kill and even 1% of them followed him, the bloodbath would be enormous.

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[–] ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 8 months ago

Perhaps, then, we shouldn't accept conservatives or their religions.

[–] ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone 48 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

It distinguished between gender-affirming surgeries, which it rejected, and “genital abnormalities” that are present at birth or that develop later. Those abnormalities can be “resolved” with the help of health care professionals, it said.

Of course. God created males to be male and females to be female, and any attempt to change that is an abomination... but he didn't create intersex people to be intersex, and that must be "corrected". Just goes to show, this is just man putting his hate in God's mouth again.

Honestly, the main reason I don't believe in God is because I can't believe any all-powerful, just and benevolent God would allow things like this to be said in their name without any push back.

[–] Sharkwellington@lemmy.one 7 points 8 months ago

Honestly, the main reason I don't believe in God is because I can't believe any all-powerful, just and benevolent God would allow things like this to be said in their name without any push back.

Yep. I'll believe in God when he starts smiting Philistines again.

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[–] Chestrade@lemmy.world 39 points 8 months ago (1 children)

But touching little kids was definitely part of the plan.

[–] Reality_Suit@lemmy.one 12 points 8 months ago

Touching kids is their only plan.

[–] 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de 32 points 8 months ago

Ok boomer. If trans people want to "make themselves God", I support that. Whatever that is supposed to mean anyway.

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 32 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

This pope has always been nothing but a PR figurehead, he says nice platitudes, calls gay people friends, and everyone seems to buy his bullshit. Meanwhile, before he was Pope, he was a bigot, misogynistic, antiquated asshole. All the inclusive things he says are nothing but marketing.

You know what else violates human dignity? Shuffling around pedo priests so they get away with their abuses. Refusing to meet with or compensate victims of the clergy. Telling clergy not to cooperate with police etc. That's what violates human dignity

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Remember kids: this is the leftwing darling good Pope.

Religion, not even once.

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[–] whodatdair@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 8 months ago

Welp, turns out they’re still the same old Catholic Church after all. Whoda thunk it? 🙄

[–] sapient_cogbag@infosec.pub 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Fuck this bioessentialist piece of trash.

I don't believe in any god, but even if I did I would not think such an entity had any right to dictate or make judgements on who I am and how I am, or my identity or purpose.

I'm so goddamn sick of this bullshit. I get to decide who I am and set my own path, fuck these people who think they get to tell me (and everyone else) what my life and body and purpose and identity are >:(

Really, I can't even begin to describe how much I hate this sort of patronising bullshit, how many of us have to suffer or die because of the relentless repressive normativity imposed by these groups and their infantilising ideologies of self repression and obedience and compliance, especially with the "dignity" and "diversity" doublespeak they've been trying to use in the past few months even while they systematically try to erase those very same things from anyone who doesn't fit into their suffocatingly binary and restricted conceptualisation of identity nya.

Our biology, identity and lives should be ours to control. We are capable of deciding our goals and purposes. I frankly hope more people realise they don't need some patronising religious institution to tell them how they should exist or what their purpose should be (if any, some folks are more nihilistic), and seize their morphological autonomy and decision making from groups that would deny it to them under the guise of such bullshit as supposed "dignity" ^.^

Seriously, fuck this. The Catholic Church (and this """cool""" pope), as well as pretty much all the other organised religious institutions who propagate the same infantilising and self-subjugating rhetoric, can go fuck themselves with a cactus in every available hole.

[–] HopeOfTheGunblade@kbin.social 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Christianity: Humans have free will.

No no not like that!

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[–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Wasn't Eve created from a man's rib as an afterthought?

[–] yannic@lemmy.ca 6 points 8 months ago (6 children)

There are two creation narratives in the book of Genesis, and both are considered to be historical allegories.

[–] Willie@kbin.social 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Can we really handwave away the whole Adam and Eve thing though?

If we do, then what did Jesus die for?

[–] Lath@kbin.earth 6 points 8 months ago

The original sin. Which in most myths is acquiring knowledge or attaining sentience.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The whole rib thing is likely just a PG version of the original...

Humans are one of the only mammals lacking a penis bone, men and women both have 24 ribs each...

There's only one bone that human males lost, and that was the dick bone. So if Eve was made from a bone, she's the root cause of male impotence because it's a lot harder to keep a boner without a bone when you're trying to bone.

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[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

both are considered to be historical allegories.

How convenient that the "word of god" (as many churches describe the bible) is so open to human interpretation.

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[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago

You know what really violates human dignity? Being raped by a priest and then having the church cover it up.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I can't say I really understand the argument against surrogacy they're making here. It seems like the same argument would mean that adoption shouldn't be allowed either. Their other argument on the matter seems to be that abuse of a system means a system should be eliminated, which is an interesting argument for the Catholic Church to make.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 6 points 8 months ago

I can't say I really understand the argument against surrogacy they're making here

I remember a Bible story about a man that died before having an heir so his brother was to impregnate the widow. But surrogacy is bad for some reason?

Oh, surrogacy is something a woman could benefit from. Right.

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[–] exanime@lemmy.today 17 points 8 months ago

I'm no expert but I think systemically raping kids and assisting those perpetrators is a slightly worse violation of human dignity

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

Funny I felt a lot less dignity without gender affirming surgery.

And on a bitchier note, my genitals may be handmade, but I’m allowed to use them.

[–] audalics@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

Projecting as usual, are we?

[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I think offloading one's morality to a patriarchal power-hungry cartel is an embarrassment to human dignity, but you know what I do about it?

Let people live the one life they have in whatever way they want so long as it doesn't hurt anyone.

It's not anyone else's job to force their idea of dignity on people, but I guess the Catholic Church isn't known to stop their clergy from being forced onto unwilling targets.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

the vatican can blast this dick

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

They'd only be interested if you were a minor

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

people must not tinker with that plan or try to “make oneself God.”

How fortunate it is that every single one of is sins and can all be forgiven, so we can just leave worrying about all that up to God, right? Right?

Or some shit. I'm an atheist, but I understand the myth better than most believers. Not that it matters because there is no logic or consistency anywhere in the doctrine, so why assume there is any in this edict?

[–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

god made light so why aren’t light bulbs playing god?

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