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[–] ipitco@lemmybefree.net 1 points 5 days ago

That’s a super shitty thing to do

He’s basically cheating and stealing from 35 people

[–] knight_alva@lemmy.world 67 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Hoping that isn’t real because that’s kind of an f-ed up definition for fraud. Also, what a legend.

[–] onslaught545@lemmy.zip 81 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

It's pretty much the textbook definition of fraud. What are you talking about?

Fraud is defined as intentional deception to deprive a victim of a legal right or to gain unlawfully from a victim.

He intentionally deceived 35 people for material gain. It's even more fraud if he deceived each one about only dating them.

In the US that could also potentially be rape by deception if any of them slept with him because they thought they were exclusive.

[–] knight_alva@lemmy.world 61 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It’s a poor definition because gift exchanges are strictly voluntary and non-reciprocal engagements. I’m not saying what he did was ok or even legal in other contexts. My only point is that I wouldn’t consider this fraud because the victims were not compelled to give. This isn’t a Nigerian prince scam where the victims were promised greater returns at a later date. These victims gave with the expectation of monetary loss.

[–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Seems to fit the official definition pretty neatly. Colloquially, I tend to agree with you, there's a spectrum for fraud. But this still counts as fraud. It's a fraudulent misrepresentation of the truth to convince others to part with something of value (a gift).

The fact that it's a gift doesn't change that this is fraud, only the severity of fraud in a legal sense.

[–] Hackworth@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value

Advertising and politics?

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[–] onslaught545@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So, it's not fraud if I tell my grandma with dementia that it's my birthday once a week so she keeps giving me birthday checks?

[–] knight_alva@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Your grandma having dementia changes the formula a bit.

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[–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago

By that logic, fake fundraisers and romance scams shouldn't be illegal either.

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[–] Zahtu@feddit.org 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I do Not See the fraud here. If He would have given the Girls His real Birthday, He would have still received the Same amount of Gifts. Nothing would have changed in exchanging the Gifts.

The only Thing, which it probably helped at, was that He could plan ahead for the birthdays, avoiding a Potential meet-in of each girl, that He dated on the Same Day. The only Thing He is gullible of ist deceiving the Woman on their Relationship. Which is Not an offenes in a legal Sense. There is no punishment for 2-timing, so 35-timing should Not have either

[–] AugustWest@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

What’s going on with your capitalization? I spent way too much time looking for hidden messages and came away with nothing except the - entirely unrelated - hypothesis that you are German.

[–] Zahtu@feddit.org 1 points 5 hours ago

Yeah, i am German and autocorrect is my enemy. Especially when writing english. It is still the Default Setup from Google GBoard, but it is so fucking bad.

[–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Not OP:
In other languages (like German) nouns are capitalized.
I often write mails inside Europe that way to make it easy readable and put focus on the stuff I find necessary.

For English native speakers it's probably really looks like hidden code ;⁠-⁠)

Edit: ok, read said comment and you're right. That's just like throwing a dice...

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[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

It's pretty much the textbook definition of fraud. What are you talking about?

Fraud is defined as intentional deception to deprive a victim of a legal right or to gain unlawfully from a victim.

That's what most politicians do every election. Just saying.

[–] onslaught545@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Most politicians are absolutely guilty of fraud.

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[–] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (5 children)

There is no mention of any consideration (a legal term meaning he didn’t promise them anything in return) provided by the “boyfriend”.

This would not be fraud under English common law.

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[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Found the guy with 35 girlfriend.

[–] knight_alva@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

I’m down to 28 now. Apparently some of them saw this thread …

[–] cRazi_man@europe.pub 14 points 1 week ago

Look at that smile. He regrets nothing.

Also: Daily Mail source?.......this story is entirely fiction and made up, guaranteed.

[–] RidderSport@feddit.org 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fraud is a very complicated crime. I absolutely hate that I need to know the basic for my law degree as it fills a thousand pages of commentary literature in just one of the largest German legal commentaries because it's just that complicated.

[–] knight_alva@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

As I said in another reply, my thinking is thus:

It’s a poor definition because gift exchanges are strictly voluntary and non-reciprocal engagements. I’m not saying what he did was ok or even legal in other contexts. My only point is that I wouldn’t consider this fraud because the victims were not compelled to give. This isn’t a Nigerian prince scam where the victims were promised greater returns at a later date. These victims gave with the expectation of monetary loss.

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[–] Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 45 points 1 week ago

Dude outed himself when he told Janice his birthday was the 35th of March.

[–] foodconsumer@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm stupid, can someone explain to me how this is illegal? Like morally questionable I get, but how is it illegal?

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 82 points 1 week ago (5 children)

According to a quick Google fraud in Japan is

obtaining property or illicit economic advantages through deceit.

Gifts I assume are property here

[–] SPRUNT@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Jesus Christ! Can we get some of that law in the US?!

[–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We do - romance scams are fraud, and they're illegal.

[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Enforcement is the issue. Cops in the USA wouldn't care about this.

[–] brown_guy45@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 days ago

Cops in the US still care about a lot of laws which people don't even give fk about in LATAM, SA and SEA

[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Best I can do is legalizing corruption and then spend billion dollars on public programs explaining how lobbying helps the people, not capitalism

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 points 6 days ago

The only thing that will stop them is the modern day equivalent of people walking out of rome, leaving the elites to make everything themselves.

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[–] Part4@infosec.pub 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Presumably he had to give 35 presents too.

[–] icelimit@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That's what I'm wondering. Perhaps he gives a mean back and foot massage.

[–] tetris11@feddit.uk 2 points 6 days ago

Or he's just good with the D. He might also be good at delivering other Vitamins too

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I'm definitely not a legal expert, especially for Japan.

but this sounds like a con artist.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (2 children)

We need to ban birthdays so this never happens again.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Monkey's paw curls. Now abortions are legal and forced.

[–] ballgoat@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I thought Monkeys Paw had adverse outcomes.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 1 points 6 days ago

Even it has limits. I guess this guy found a way to beat it.

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[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

In one bed no less. Must be an Alaska king

[–] Brekky@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Take it he wasn't reciprocating the gifts?

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

I think the only way this makes sense is that he'd start dating someone, say his birthday is coming up, dump them after receiving the gift and repeating the process.

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[–] altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Is that the gift economy I keep hearing about?

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