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[–] Lennnny@lemmy.world 65 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

They gave my cat ket before they euthanized her. She looked absolutely blissful, but certainly in no fit state to run a government.

[–] MimicJar@lemmy.world 39 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

I mean this in the nicest way, but your cat would make an excellent replacement for the current governor.

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[–] SabinStargem@lemmings.world 69 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

Ketamine, like any drug, should be thoroughly researched. Whether good, bad, or mixed, the knowledge would be useful.

In any case, I think that being wealthy is the most dangerous drug of all. It frees you from the consequences of your actions. Being invulnerable from society, prevents you from knowing what it means to be harmed. It is why rich folks tend to be assholes, since they don't understand the reality of being human. They are more akin to space aliens or dragons.

...at this point, excessive wealth is something I believe to be a drug that harms society, not individuals.

[–] yarr@feddit.nl 13 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Ketamine, like any drug, should be thoroughly researched.

Hey man, go easy on him. He's researching it as hard as he can, while balancing other responsibilities, like running DOGE. Have you ever tried working for the federal government with a cranium full of ketamine? It's not as easy as he makes it look.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 17 hours ago

He balances ketamine with cocaine and alcohol

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[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 23 points 22 hours ago

A fragile ego and sense of entitlement could also explain a lot of it. This comes from experience and, thankfully, at least some people can get better.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 30 points 1 day ago (3 children)

People are too hard on drugs. Drugs are great. the ketamine might be helping for all we know. It's money and feeling unwanted as a child that has caused this man's brain damage.

[–] LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 19 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

You can see the insecure little boy in him so much. Him and Joe Rogan. They are so obviously doing everything in themselves to have some confidence but not even millions and billions of dollars can fill that hole of abandonment.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 9 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Right, no one does the amount of steroids Joe Rogan does without having a severe case of body dysmorphia or something similar

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Unfortunately it's something as banal as height. He's 5'8, same size as ben shapiro.

[–] astutemural@midwest.social 2 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

As a 5'6" man....is 5'8" supposed to be short or something 0_0

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[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 221 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I think it's fair to say that ketamine may be affecting his faculties, but this is dipping it's toe into "the drugs make him do it!" sanewashing.

Drugs don't make people assholes. They were assholes before they took the drugs, and the drugs emphasise what an asshole they are.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 12 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

As a very wise person once told me about acid, it doesn't change you as much as it makes you more like yourself.

Put an A-hole down the K-hole and guess what comes out the other end?

[–] TwanHE@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago (5 children)

Idk acid just makes me giggly and forget what I was saying because I saw a cool pattern on the wall. Don't think it changes your personality that much

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[–] jumjummy@lemmy.world 67 points 1 day ago (2 children)

As the saying goes “sober thoughts, drunk words”

[–] yarr@feddit.nl 2 points 21 hours ago

Drunk words, ketamine actions?

[–] starshipHighwayman69@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So drunk thoughts sober words?

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[–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (2 children)

People have been known to change personalities and become like that after serious brain injuries. Not uncommon for such people to become right wing.

I don't know much about ketamines effect on the brain..

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 17 hours ago

Probably takes cocaine and he does drink alcohol too

[–] hooferboof@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I have a running theory that the reason celebs like telia tequila and Kanye suddenly veer so hard to crazy town is brain damaged caused by overdose/suicide and being clinically deaad + sent to weird brainwashing rehab facilities

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 5 points 17 hours ago

Tila had a stroke and became a bathsit right winger, much like sorbo who had a stroke and becomes a nutty Christian

[–] starshipHighwayman69@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nah just the pressure of fame, a thousand lying tongues in your ear and 2 thousands hands in your pockets.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Isn’t that a porn movie?

[–] starshipHighwayman69@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nah your thinking of a thousand tongues and fists in your ass.

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Good porn. Highly recommend it.

[–] starshipHighwayman69@lemmy.ml 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

You guys eh, you guys do a lot of ketamine don't you? Jkjk

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

If I haven't K Holed at my job as a school bus driver then it ain't a Tuesday.

[–] starshipHighwayman69@lemmy.ml 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

My name is otto I like to get blotto.

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Thankfully, my school bus kids aren't narcs.

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[–] HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone 116 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I'm gonna tap the sign.

(The Drug User's Bible, by Dominic Milton Trott)

Do not let Elon Musk own ketamine. It is a valid depression treatment.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 61 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Well...it's found to effective at halting the immediate effects of severe depression. In other words, it's just enough to stop someone from going suicidal or worse. It has NOT been shown to be a good candidate for long-term use in treating general depression in anyone, in fact, there's a larger nunber of studies correlating Ketamine abuse with mental defect than showing it useful in a medical capacity.

There's a huge difference between those two things. Here's a study that only looked at previous records (no conflict of interest in new study targets) : https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8972190/

Well…it’s found to effective at halting the immediate effects of severe depression. In other words, it’s just enough to stop someone from going suicidal or worse. It has NOT been shown to be a good candidate for long-term use in treating general depression in anyone, in fact, there’s a larger nunber of studies correlating Ketamine abuse with mental defect than showing it useful in a medical capacity.

That, and with the resources available to someone like Elon, I am sure he has some personal doctor giving him regular recreational access if he wants to.

That being said, the article is a bit sensationalist. It shouldn't be ruled out as a contributing factor, but Elon has basically always had that confused arsehole streak to his character.

[–] HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Correct. However, it is effective in the short term, which makes its short term use valid. Occasional recreational use is also valid. I feel psychedelics are a better option in most cases. Elon Musk has chosen to use ketamine chronically--carelessness in, carelessness out. He shouldn't be the face of ketamine. I'm rightfully concerned about the demonization of ketamine due to these headlines, when the only thing that should be demonized is Musk.

Musk is the same person who said homelessness is a propaganda word for useless drug addicts. Anti-drug sentiment is a dangerous radical right ideology. People must remember this when discussing this subject. I've seen comments on many posts relating to politicians and drug use with an inherently negative stance on drugs, particularly with Musk, which is my reason for tapping the sign. The articles themselves often have an anti-drug bias, and I feel that's showing itself here a little.

Keep discourse in good faith.

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Lobotomies also are effective in the short and long term for stopping suicide.
I think it's perfectly fine to push back on drugs and procedures when we are currently only in the present to excuse it away as effective enough to get the outcomes we want.
It does not mean they are safe or should be promoted.

If it's legitimately harming brain chemistry and has a similar effect to long term brain damage why is it OK other than because it accomplished a goal of getting other people to mumble that they can't kill themselves and its seen as a victory.

Cautionary discourse and open about the possible negatives are how we move forward.
Demanding only positive and happy conversation around drug use is also radical and dangerous.

Don't pretend it's bad faith when it's just against your own interests and beliefs.

[–] HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 8 hours ago (5 children)

Comparing an accepted prescription drug to a surgery that involves literally physically and permanently disfiguring the brain is nothing short of outrageous.

You are claiming I am openly portraying drugs as entirely safe to use for any purpose, which is a great insult to me and the people I am trying to help. This is a ludicrously irrational argument, and I suggest you delete your comment before you make a fool of yourself.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

Valid treatments are abused all the time...

Ket is abused all the time.

Musk isn't taking it therapeuticly, he's taking it recreationally to dissociate from a reality where he's a giant asshole everyone hates and makes fun.

Two completely different uses

[–] paultimate14@lemmy.world 70 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Growing up the son of a wealthy emerald-mine owning dysfunctional family in apartheid South Africa explains a lot of his behavior too.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And grandson of the head of the “technocracy” party in Canada: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_N._Haldeman

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago

I mean, that dude died when he was 3. It is possible his views were passed onto his mother, but.

[–] ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee 14 points 1 day ago

Excuses at this point

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

There's an oldish ~~English~~ Irish rap song about what Ketamine is like ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA5PWRPeMOk

And man, does it explain Musk

[–] Saeveo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Versatile are Irish.

(Or were, I think they've gone their separate ways now.)

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[–] metoosalem@feddit.org 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)
[–] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago

Hitler and friends liked amphetamine.

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