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Lobotomies also are effective in the short and long term for stopping suicide.
I think it's perfectly fine to push back on drugs and procedures when we are currently only in the present to excuse it away as effective enough to get the outcomes we want.
It does not mean they are safe or should be promoted.
If it's legitimately harming brain chemistry and has a similar effect to long term brain damage why is it OK other than because it accomplished a goal of getting other people to mumble that they can't kill themselves and its seen as a victory.
Cautionary discourse and open about the possible negatives are how we move forward.
Demanding only positive and happy conversation around drug use is also radical and dangerous.
Don't pretend it's bad faith when it's just against your own interests and beliefs.
Comparing an accepted prescription drug to a surgery that involves literally physically and permanently disfiguring the brain is nothing short of outrageous.
You are claiming I am openly portraying drugs as entirely safe to use for any purpose, which is a great insult to me and the people I am trying to help. This is a ludicrously irrational argument, and I suggest you delete your comment before you make a fool of yourself.
A lobotomy was a recognized and approved medical procedure. Within a few years in the late 1940s 10s of thousands of procedures were done.
The person who discovered the procedure won a Nobel prize for Medicine for how it helped people with psychosis.
How is it not related?
Because this is a chemical that alters brain chemistry instead?
Would you prefer I state electroshock therapy? Insulin shock? Malarial?
Those last 2 are using compounds instead of physical means.
My point stands that just because it is used in the medical field does not being and end the argument of safety and efficiency. Opiods are considered safe until you have to stop taking them and now we are pushing against the prescription and use of them.
You clearly have a specific predetermined opinion on the matter that makes you insulary from having to accept that their are differing opinions on the matter.
Your threat to my appearance does not diminsh my statement it just proves your bias.
Being open towards the use of drugs does not mean they are free of criticism and should not be used sparingly as the world may yet change on its opionion of the costs of their use yet.
This is not to say people can not take what helps but helping is not always good or an answer long term.
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You've chosen.. poorly.
I don't even know why I'm bothering typing this. It won't change your opinion. You are a troll, and I'm speaking to a phantom. I haven't even heard of some of these medical procedures, but whatever. Fine. School day it is, then.
This is true. Combined with how slavery was only just recently abolished, and segregation is still the norm, it goes to show how incredibly innovative the United States was throughout its history.
I don't know, why is vitamin B12 not related? I just discovered that large doses treat dissociation.
Yes.
No, I'd prefer you state something relevant. Speaking of, here's the two other operations mentioned in the history section of the lobotomy Wikipedia page that you looked at, that involve a compound.
Insulin. Insulin. That is a fucking hormone. Insulin is a hormone. Granted, that is a compound, and comparing a hormone to a narcotic is insane, but fine. At least we aren't slandering HRT because of insulin shock.
Here's one I've definitely never heard of. A quick read reveals it's the process of using plasmodium to cause malaria, which causes a rise in body temperature, which then, in turn, mitigates other diseases. The malaria is then given treatment. I've never heard of something so stupid in all my years, but I'm still trying to find the compound invo--no. No, that's impossible. The compound involved isn't..
FUCKING EUKARYOTES!?
Since I've already lost so many brain cells, why not add some gasoline to the mix? Let me go sniff some real quick...done.
Objection--you do not have a point, you have a mouth.
Strawman.
Opiods [sic] is a weird way to spell benzodiazepines. Now, I've already torn your incorrect "opinion" to shreds, and now I'm literally giving you an argument against me, over a point that was never made.
That implies I was never anti-drug. I was. I supported banning all of them, and incarcerating all who ever used them. I was a Trump supporter. I vocally defended the cop that murdered George Floyd, blaming the fentanyl as everyone did. Point is, my mind has already changed, and what you're doing is actually trying to unchange my mind.
The only one with a predetermined opinion on the matter is you, you Nixonite.
My parents said the same thing when I warned them that voting for Trump was a stupid idea. Your strawman arguments don't diminsh [sic] my statement, it only proves your bias.
I still don't know why this is being said, because I never said drugs are free of criticism. You are replying to a thread that is literally me replying to a comment mentioning ketamine's dangers with frequent use, saying "correct". What was that about bias, again?
This is your first correct statement. Right at the end, too! A broken clock is right once a day. I use 24-hour time, sorry. Short end of the stick, sometimes.
All in all, I have had more intelligent debates on Reddit. I highly recommend you work for the Trump administration, they could use your mindset, conflating rationality and brazen emotional-esque response. And, like I said before:
Delete your comment, before you make a (further) fool of yourself.
I'm the troll and yet you won't engage in an actual discussion? You are moment to moment demanding that everything you have said is correct or not understanding my point and yet you are wrong about so much, but won't engage to find out so.
You are acting with blatant superiority and pedantry on each individual word I say. You don't respond as if it's a conversation just a stomping ground for your ego.
Look at how you communicate and how you process to act like a singular source of truth in this world. It's appalling and yet you act as if it's correct because you are the one doing it.
Yes, slaver y and lots of things would later go on to be considered a bad method for accomplishing goals. That is my point on overly relying on drugs when especially there is already evidence as with Ketamine that it's damaging to the body.
Insulin shock was a way of treating psychosis and so was giving people malaria to give them a fever strong enough to damage the brain. You don't understand the points being made so you act like you are better informed when you respond with nonsense. Look at all your own smarmy interjections as if they validate you more.
You aren't as informed as you think you are and you aren't solo in deciding what is good in this world. Other people can have opinions and knowledge you don't.
My mother took ketamine on a medical prescription and it ruined her body. She had to get physical therapy to use her hands again to be able to pick up objects.
Stop being a jerk that thinks they are superior and swaps to whatever opinion let's them talk down to others.
You may have changed your mind but you clearly haven't stopped being rude and dismissive of others.
I don't care about who you were and it's unnecessary in this conversation you bring it up as a shield to deflect that you are being a jerk here and now.
You are putting so many words in my mouth.
So are you. Engage in a conversation then to avoid it and actually speak to the other person instead of over them.