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Back in the medieval ages when a woman was married to a man, they were basically considered property for my understanding and treated like an extension of the man's person and family. So it was customary for women to take the man's last name since they were being joined to his family. But now here in the 21st century women are fully independent and last names don't really seem to mean much of anything. I mean what is Smith or McGregor or any last name really mean anymore? Especially in the digital age, lots of people have digital usernames like SarahSmith1727373. So the last name clearly doesn't mean much anymore.... Which leads me to wonder, why do the majority of women still take the man's last name? Especially when some of them have a horrible last name? I have seen some butt ass ugly last names recently, like Fink, Weimer, Slotsky/Slotsky, Hiscock (no joke this is a last name), Hardman.... And then you hear the woman's name and it's like something way more reasonable and less stupid sounding like Kingman, or Harrison, Walls, etc.

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[–] spittingimage@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

She takes my hoodies, my snacks, my cash, the blankets... why wouldn't she take my name?

(She didn't take my name.)

[–] viking@infosec.pub 2 points 2 hours ago

Hah, same on every single account.

[–] Araithya@lemmy.world 9 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Can’t speak for all women, but I (and I imagine some others) changed my name because I knew I’d be having kids and didn’t want there to be any confusion. Like, if I’m traveling internationally or if my kid ends up in the hospital, I don’t want one of us having to fish out a birth certificate to prove we’re both the parents. Also I’m of the percent that absolutely hated my long last name so the chance for my name to be shorter and nicer was a no brainer.

[–] AngryRobot@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I think this is a big reason. Having a common family name helps solidify the family as a unit.

[–] viking@infosec.pub 2 points 2 hours ago

In several countries it's simply not possible, and the family bonds are strong as elsewhere, if not stronger. China for example, family is above everything there, and you can't change names under any circumstances.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 3 points 4 hours ago

Because it is easier to have 1 family name if you intend to have children.

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 hours ago

My wife took my name because she liked it better than hers. Although if we had known that where we live, you can change your name to whatever you want when you get a marriage license, then we would have picked something cooler.

We couldn’t decide on something on the spot though.

[–] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 4 points 5 hours ago

It helps with legal documents and proof of ownership of equity if both last names are the same. Taking the man's last name is just an archaic tradition but I do agree that having both last names the same is useful.

I will say though that people who hyphenate both their last name's are fucking psychopaths. Just choose one. Don't make other people have to remember 2 last names.

[–] dfi@lemmy.nz 1 points 3 hours ago

After we were married wife kept her last name, partially for professional reasons partially because she didn't like my last name :-) When we had kids we decided that the kids would have my last name to avoid hyphen hell and her last name is super generic so any time she has to search for an account at the bank or anything like that she almost always has someone else with the same first and last name it can be a pain to find the correct "her"

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

My SO and have talked about possibly changing both of our last names when married. Neither of us are tied to or really care about our current names for any reason so why not just start fresh.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

Tradition, mostly. When I discussed this with my fiancee she just wants to - I certainly don't care. My one cousin went with both hyphenated, in alphabetical order so hers was first.

[–] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 0 points 3 hours ago

Makes things easier for both parties when medical issues arise, even more so for parents. And I genuinely believe that a lot of women don't know it's an option.

I actually didn't change my name when my mom married my dad, so you can really just say "no." i was in middle school when I decided that, but whenever my dad tried to do anything, he had to jump through hoops. 🤷🏿‍♀️

[–] ZeffSyde@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

I can't say for sure why. When I got married she just wanted to take one of my names (I have two last names). I'm not famous or anything, so it doesn't carry any clout. Maybe she wanted a fancy sounding hyphenated name too, because she added one of mine to her current one.

[–] Surp@lemmy.world 28 points 11 hours ago

Many people are fine with changing their names and the ones that aren't won't do it. There's your answer. Don't rag on the people that like changing their name.

[–] klemptor@startrek.website 1 points 5 hours ago

I didn't change my name. My perspective is that my identity doesn't change just because I got married. My name has been mine since birth and it'll remain that way.

[–] Timecircleline@sh.itjust.works 9 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I took my husband's last name because it was important to him, and I wasn't super attached to mine. Also, it has 2 Z's in it, and that's one of the coolest letters.

[–] DuckWrangler9000@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Is your last name is Lizzard? /s

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[–] Tyfud@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago
[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 16 points 20 hours ago

My wife did, despite me saying I'd rather she not. Me changing to her name was not legally possible in our situation (me US citizen, her JP citizen, both living in and married in Japan). (Edit: What I wanted to do was change to her name, but that doesn't happen unless I give up US and my other citizenship, apply for and get JP citizenship, and choose her maiden name as my name or do that but a name combining hers and the sound from the start of mine rendered in kanji).

Her reasoning was that we could quickly and easily remove basically all doubt that we are related with just what ID we both always carry. Her usecase was one of us being critically injured or something and being able to gain access in the hospital or something else like that.

[–] Sybilvane@lemmy.ca 17 points 21 hours ago

I'm from a different culture than my husband and my last name was a bureaucratic nightmare. Almost didn't make it into university because of computer mix ups, have had issues filing taxes, voting, getting a passport, settings basic IDs, getting insurance... It's endless. Changed my name as soon as I could, and even THAT process was hindered by my original name.

Bonuses: Distance myself from social media I had as a child. Harder for former stalkers to locate me if they decide to rekindle their previous obsessions. Don't need to upset one set of grandparents when you name your children one parent's last name and not the other. People stop asking me where I'm from and making racist assumptions about me. Everyone seems a lot friendlier now that they assume I'm [insert European white race here] instead of [insert non-white race here] and that's despite the fact that I'm clearly white. Racism is wild. My signature is way shorter.

Not saying this should be the norm, but I was happy it was a socially acceptable option for me.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 91 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's pretty helpful for medical emergencies and getting through border police as a family.

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[–] Apepollo11@lemmy.world 87 points 1 day ago

I think the only correct answer will be "there are lots of different reasons".

My wife took my last name, even though it's not a good one and I suggested that we pick a new one.

Here are a couple of her reasons:

  1. She wanted us to have the same surname.

  2. She was very close friends with my cousins growing up, so the name didn't seem weird to her.

  3. Tradition - she'd always assumed she would change her name to her husband's name, so that seemed the most normal thing to do.

[–] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 67 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Two short answers: Tradition and simplicity.

If you have different names, which one do the kids get? Also, it's sometimes challenging to fill in school forms when your kid has a different last name than you.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 day ago

This it the real answer. It's usually just easier to do it because it's the expected situation.

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[–] cybermass@lemmy.ca 46 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I'm actually gonna be taking my girlfriend's last name. Mine sounds hella stupid and is also slang for an unflattering body part, I got bullied a lot for it growing up so I will spare my children and take her last name cause it sounds super fancy and cool.

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 71 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That makes sense, Cyberm Ass.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 61 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Cyberm would be a silly first name.

It is obviously Cyber M. Ass.

The M is short for My.

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The guy was bullied already for his last name, and now you're calling his first name silly? I am reporting you to the mods, Spankm.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

Shame on you for deadnaming!

[–] bizarroland@fedia.io 21 points 1 day ago

If the guy gets his MD in proctology he can be Dr. Ass.

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Because most countries have been patriarchal for most of human history. Old habits die hard.

[–] Modva@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago

I think each woman has her own reasons (some people actually like traditions) but I have the impression that, globally, women are not the same as what we see online. I think today the taking of a surname does not indicate ownership or property, at least to most modern women (and men).

I don't think any woman thinks like that anymore, or perhaps not many, so the motivations would then also be obviously different.

[–] litchralee@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Pew Research has survey data germane to this question. As it stands, a clear majority (79%) of opposite-sex married women changed their family/last name to their husband's.

But for never-married women, only a third (33%) said they would change their name to their spouse's family name. 24% of never-married women were unsure whether they would or wouldn't change their name upon marriage.

From this data, I would conclude that while the trend of taking the husband's last name is fairly entrenched right now, the public's attitude are changing and we might expect the popularity of this to diminish over time. The detailed breakdown by demographic shows that the practice was less common (73%) in the 18-49 age group than in the 50+ age group (85%).

Pew Research name change data

However, some caveats: the survey questions did not inquire into whether the never-married women intended on ever getting married; it simply asked "if you were to get married...". So if marriage as a form of cohabitation becomes less popular in the future, then the change-your-family-name trend could be in sharper decline than this data would suggest.

Alternatively, the data could reflect differences between married and never-married women. Perhaps never-married women -- by virtue of not being married yet -- answered "would not change name" because they did not yet know what their future spouse's name is. No option for "it depends on his name" was offered by the survey. Never-married women may also more-strongly consider the paperwork burden -- USA specific -- for changing one's name.

So does this help answer your question? Eh, only somewhat. Younger age and left-leaning seem to be factors, but that's a far cry from cause-and-effect. Given how gradual the trend is changing, it's more likely that the practice is mostly cultural. If so, then the answer to "why is cultural practice XYZ a thing?" is always "because it is".

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[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I took my partner's last name because I like their family more than mine, and I liked the idea of no longer being associated with my family.

But I think most people just want to do what is normal or expected of them, so I would imagine that is why most women change their name. Not doing so would go against the grain, putting them in awkward situations where they have to explain they didn't take the last name.

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[–] ArtieShaw@fedia.io 13 points 1 day ago

I went from a "normal" western last name that was ethnically coded (like McCoy) to another ethnically coded name (like Nguyen, or - um - Fink).

My options were to keep a common and dull name that I share with people I don't like, get a new one (that I'd need to spell to every customer service representative ever), hyphenate (HELL NO), or make up something new (which would involve a shitstorm among relatives on both sides.)

The only real options were A and B. I was undecided until we were leaving the county courthouse after we were married. He asked me "are you going to change your name?" He didn't care. He thought it was a weird custom and was curious. And I realized - this is an opportunity. It's a relatively easy and socially acceptable way to shed your old name.

I took it.

The new name honestly messes with quite a few people who are meeting me for the first time, and it's interesting to see how they react. I've had people ask straightforward questions (I prefer that - there's an easy and straightforward answer), get half-way through a straight-up racist comment before they stutter to a stop (helps me get to know them), get all the way through a racist comment (again - helpful to know where you stand), or just not comment at all (just fine by me).

I've found that it's not the worst way to get a read on someone.

tldr: part spite, part novelty, part legitimately helpful when your profession means you need to meet strangers and get a quick read on their personality/potential biases/willingness to be straightforward when there's no reason to be weird about it

[–] count_dongulus@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Yeah but it's easy when both parents already had the same last name 🪕

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