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[–] kekmacska@lemmy.zip 2 points 16 minutes ago

i can agree on a few stuff, and can't on some others. I just choose the most private options aviable that still serve the purpose i use them for. Like if you can find something on Google Play, Aurora, F-droid, obviously, it is better to download from f-droid, but if you have a bit more time, it is even better to download from source or even compile it yourself. But it always upsets me when people ask for privacy tips when using ios or windows, like are you joking or what? ditch those lol. And obviously, as a gamer, i wouldn't use purist linux oses, like PureOS, because it can have serious issues with games. But i won't buy nvidia if i want to game on linux, when i can get amd with open-source drivers on distros like Garuda. So i think a reasonable privacy can't hurt anyone, but moving on just the next little step or going into the extremes are both not good ideas

[–] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 4 points 57 minutes ago

We love lemmy ❤️

[–] TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip 31 points 3 hours ago

My guess is, the people who care didn’t stick around. As s result, quality went down.

[–] theskyisfalling@lemmy.dbzer0.com 100 points 4 hours ago (4 children)

What's reddit? Is that like a new alternative to Lemmy? ;P

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[–] dwindling7373@feddit.it 44 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

I like how the original OP mention in passing that Reddit is bad for privacy.

Like, no shit? How can a privacy community be even remotedly healthy in such an environment?

It's like having a club for how to avoid the police within a prison, regulated by the guards.

[–] DrDystopia@lemy.lol 19 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

Browsing reddit while using a VPN is verboten.

Good grief I despise that smug, winking snoo with a effing fedora that goes along with the error page.

[–] cyberwolfie@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 minutes ago

woah there pardner!

[–] Laser@feddit.org 5 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Better than me getting shadow banned from reddit for using one, I appealed back then

[–] kekmacska@lemmy.zip 1 points 15 minutes ago

first time? I was banned from reddit entirely 8 times

[–] ohellidk@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

yeah, seems like they really don't want site visits or something! oh well, its cooler here.

[–] DrDystopia@lemy.lol 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Untraceable visitors are worth nothing. From a cynical point of view, better off without them.

[–] Infynis@midwest.social 2 points 1 hour ago

A lot of reddit's most popular content is stuff like TrueOffMyChest from throwaway accounts. Robust privacy protection would result in more of those posts, and more traffic overall, but reddit doesn't care about making the site work, they've dedicated themselves to milking the individual users for all they're worth. It's a bit like killing the goose that lays the golden eggs. Because look, now we're all here, generating content on a competing platform

[–] infeeeee@lemm.ee 14 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Reddit was open source until 2017, and one of the founders was Aaron Schwartz. So it didn't look like that for a long time.

[–] dwindling7373@feddit.it 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

I guess we all know it, since we are interested in Privacy and not clueless enough to be on Reddit (anymore?).

The degeneration from a "safe" place to what it is now is what makes it particoularly egregious a place to avoid for anybody serious about privacy...

[–] infeeeee@lemm.ee 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (2 children)

2017 was 7 year ago, Aaron died 11 years ago. There are a lot younger users who can't remember these things.

Let's see a 20 years old university student was 13 when the source was closed down, I think it's not easy to find a 13 years old who is familiar with such legal things.

[–] kekmacska@lemmy.zip 1 points 12 minutes ago

in 2017 my biggest concerns were that whether i can play PS3 with broken hand or not (i could)

[–] dwindling7373@feddit.it 2 points 1 hour ago

No but it's much easier to find the 20 years old student interested in privacy that realyze right now that reddit is not open source...

[–] Matshiro@szmer.info 35 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Tbh I am done with reddit as a whole, back then a lot of mods were power tripping, but now most of them are. You can't say anything, do anything, it would be better for them if no one would even visit their communities.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

This is completely unsurprising tbh. A lot of the old mods were enthusiasts who grew a community from scratch due to their love for the subject. In the reddit API shutdown, a lot of those mods left in disgust, or were replaced by the reddit admins, or were driven off by the leftover toxic userbase calling them "entitled jannies" or whatever. A lot of the mods who took over their place were just power-hungry users who were chomping at the bit to get the chance to run a big community as their personal fiefdom because they were too toxic to grow one themselves.

This is the inevitable culmination of these events.

Anyway, welcome to lemmy. We become more powerful from every user who writes off reddit forever.

PS: if you see power-trippin' behaviour around these parts, you can always post about it in !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com

[–] Matshiro@szmer.info 1 points 52 minutes ago

Yeah, that sounds right. Well at least I am happy that I was checking lemmy year ago and now I decided to finally try it.

Also thanks for advice :D

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I use a repost bot to keep up with the Monero reddit but most of the time I find that I'm not interested enough to actually click the link to go to the original post on reddit and so most of the time I just stay here. I deleted my account during the API issues back in June of 2023 and have not had an account since then and do not plan on going back as I really enjoy it here.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I don't even think you need even a bot for that. Just grab the relevant RSS

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 hours ago

It's not my bot. It's a bot somebody else created and I just use it.

[–] DaseinPickle@leminal.space 34 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Nerdy communities always seem to attract some very opinionated people, which is a turn off for people just trying to do better.

[–] TheImpressiveX@lemmy.ml 69 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 15 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

As an older hobbyist, exactly.

I'm as guilty as anyone, but I promise I'm trying to be better.

[–] DrDystopia@lemy.lol 12 points 2 hours ago

I'm trying to be better.

Unlike those dang noobs

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 12 points 4 hours ago (5 children)

Wait, what's wrong with Proton Mail?

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 4 hours ago (5 children)

They gave meta information like IP to the government in Switzerland, where they are based, after the government forced them to with a court order. Not the encrypted mail, mind you, because they can’t do that, just the additional information they have on a user like email and IP.

Because of that, a lot of redditers on r/privacy think they spy on their users for the US government. It’s a stretch, yes, but you have to remember they take turns using the one brain they collectively have.

[–] AnAmericanPotato@programming.dev 7 points 2 hours ago

Not the encrypted mail, mind you, because they can’t do that

Just want to point out for anyone new that ProtonMail does not use E2EE for email headers. That means they CAN access your subject lines, to/from fields, and other email headers. That means they CAN be forced to hand it over to the government.

Source: https://proton.me/support/proton-mail-encryption-explained

Subject lines and recipient/sender email addresses are encrypted but not end-to-end encrypted.

Personally I am disappointed in a lot of Proton's wording about this. They frequently promise they can't access "your data" and "your messages" when they do, in fact, store potentially sensitive data in a format they CAN access.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 12 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah I agree, sounds a bit excessive. If that's correct, it doesn't sound like they're reading your data and at the end of the day they have to comply with things like warrants. Thanks for the clarification.

[–] underwire212@lemm.ee 6 points 3 hours ago

It is all also very clearly stated in the information they must collect in order to provide their service. There should’ve been no surprises here, as you must assume that scenarios like these will happen eventually.

[–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I guess the issue here is overselling the safety of the service. Wouldn't rely on them encrypting the mail for you, for example. It's probably fine if you treat it just like you would any other email service - assuming you're fine with being unable to use a mail client at all on the free plan and using it in a weird roundabout way on the paid plans.

[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

the issue is that they can't defy the law without shutting down and going into jail. proton has given the tool the activist would have needed to protect themselves: the service has an official onion site, which would have made IP collection impossible, and they could have just said they can't know it

[–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 1 points 37 minutes ago* (last edited 37 minutes ago)

Yes, that was exactly my point. You would not treat any mail service like they would cover you during your unprotected use, and Proton is not an exception. So I don't understand why people are taking issue with them cooperating with LE - but I take issue with some other qualities.

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[–] infeeeee@lemm.ee 18 points 4 hours ago

It was a terrible sub for years much before the apicalypse. It was full of apple fanboys who believed every marketing bullshit.

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Lol brave sucks

[–] chloroken@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 hours ago

Literally the kind of elitist response the OP was lambasting.

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 8 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

It does, but it's a step in the right direction.

I'm as guilty as anyone for allowing pursuit of perfection be the enemy of good.

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

How is allowing crypto mining in your browser or hijacking affiliate links good for privacy?

[–] yonder@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Brave has a built-in adblocker and is not Chrome. If a user is able to make the switch to Brave, they might find it easier when they try to switch to something better like Librewolf or Firefox.

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 3 points 39 minutes ago

Why would switching browsers twice make it any easier?

[–] Oestradiolo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 hours ago

The real privacy nerds: paying for a service? Leaving a paper trail? Learn how to pwn grandma computers and push all your internet through that. /s

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