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Vivek Ramaswamy, recently appointed to lead the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), has proposed defunding federal programs that lack current congressional authorization.

This could affect programs like veterans’ healthcare, NASA, and early education initiatives, which still receive funding despite expired authorizations.

Ramaswamy argues that cutting these programs could save billions, and he’s committed to targeting expenditures that “don’t advance the interests of American citizens.”

DOGE, co-led by Elon Musk, aims to curb government spending, with Musk estimating potential cuts of up to $2 trillion.

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 60 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Do it. Cut tricare too. I don’t want those things gone, but holy hell yes please eliminate the willingness of the military to aid you against the constitution. Defund barrack improvements and force married troops to bring their spouses into the barracks while you’re at it.

Crash and burn and let us rebuild America with an understanding it wasn’t immigrants or trans people that did this, it was rich people and fascists.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 day ago

As a former military child, I largely agree with cutting tricare. It's pretty good, and military people take for granted that they get socialized Healthcare but not the rest of us. Yeah, "serving the country" and all that, but most military personnel aren't doing anything that anyone else isn't doing. Most military personnel are not in combat roles. Everyone should be treated well because everyone benefits the nation. Take away the socialized healthcare of the military and vets and maybe we'll get socialized healthcare in general.

I doubt this will work, but it'll at least force military people to come to terms with the fact they have socialized healthcare and how well it works. My dad at least used to argue with me whenever I called it that. I'm not sure if he still thinks it isn't true. I'm sure other people haven't even considered that that's what it is.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Elon musk being like "all that money we're spending on vets could be going into my pockets."

[–] jas0n@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

The status quo is just a lot more visible, now.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 39 points 2 days ago (3 children)

This will piss off every single veteran, active service member, and their relatives. I don't just want this shit to fail, I want people to remember just how little fucks these people give about anyone other than themselves.

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 2 days ago

Republicans have been cutting vet benefits for years, and it hasn’t stopped them from voting red yet.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

I want to see these fucks do this then ask for the military to keep them in office when they violate the constitution

[–] el_bhm@lemm.ee 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

If you hear back well they did not realize... you answer with yes, this is how little they care

[–] uis@lemm.ee 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Then do universal healthcare, right? Right?

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Universally leave you to die if you don't pay, sure.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

Typo. Then, not they.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

If they really go whole hog and sell off the hospitals and stuff then I would think the next president would just go to a Veteran's Public Option. There's a world in which 5 years from now we prove Medicare for All works because they deleted the entire side of the VA that does healthcare.

[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 54 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Any woman or veteran or union worker who voted for Trump is going to have a serious case of buyers remorse. I am none of those things but still voted for Harris because it seemed like the responsible thing to do, lesser of two evils. Way lesser it seems.

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago

The leopards are eating our faces!!

[–] aceshigh@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Buyers remorse or will they blame someone else?

[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 30 points 2 days ago (5 children)

They'll blame democrats like always

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[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 152 points 3 days ago (2 children)

As someone with just as much federal authority as the non-existent DOGE, I also propose defunding expenditures that “don’t advance the interests of American citizens.”

And I would like to start with fucking Vivek Ramaswamy and Elon fucking Musk.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 69 points 3 days ago (14 children)

as equal authority, I propose we just lock them up.

I'm sure we can find something to actually justify it. Like, you know, betraying classified secrets to the russians, as well as providing intelligence and military aid;

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[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 134 points 3 days ago (1 children)

As a US citizen, paying for veterans healthcare and early education programs advance my interests a whole fucking lot more than paying this jackass.

Stupid piece of shit, you don't speak for us.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I know what you mean but he does, quite literally, speak for us now. This is what we asked for.

[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 63 points 2 days ago (7 children)

I sure as fuck didn't, I voted against every single fascist asshole on my balot. I'm just angry.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 46 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Remember when if you didn't "support our troops," Republicans would ask you why you hated America?

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 days ago

The right wing has never supported veterans

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[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

This is amazing. Good. Fuck the troops. Let's see you garrison your military bases in every other country in the world, losers. You can't even meet recruiting goals now!

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago

Save billions on essentials while spending trillions in bullshit.

[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Part of me, as an outsider looking in with abject horror, wants to see this happen just because I still hold out hope that it might finally wake up a not-insignificant part of rural and rust-belt America that live off these benefits (or ‘handouts’ according to the GOP) out of their political stupor.

But on the other hand, I know that once it’s gone, it’s very unlikely to be brought back in the immediate future by the current crop of Dems, who seemingly would rather keep dangling it as a carrot (along with restoring ablation access) in order to entice voter turnout.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (2 children)

“This bloated liberal socialist program is inefficient and doesn’t work. Because it’s liberal and socialist. So we’re going to get rid of it. We’re planing to plan a replacement plan, but we haven’t planned on when to plan it. But we’ll blame the libs for that too, even though we have essentially captured all branches of the government at this point.”

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[–] nifty@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Shameless, veterans risk their lives for their country, the least the govt can do is give them healthcare

[–] pachrist@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Unfortunately for veterans, they aren't risking their lives for their country. They're risking their lives for the special interests of corporate oligarchs who couldn't care less about them.

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

I know but that’s a hard sell for poor young recruits, if they knew this more they’d charge like mercenaries

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 62 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

Touching NASA very well might be the thing that finally pushes me to actual violence.

Scientific endeavors, but specifically research and exploration of space are pretty much the only things in life I really have a passion for.

[–] can_you_change_your_username@fedia.io 70 points 3 days ago (6 children)

NASA is definitely a target. Musk wants to make SpaceX America's privatized space agency.

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[–] fadingembers@lemmy.blahaj.zone 42 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I am terrified at them defunding the VA. I've had a much easier time getting good medical care from VA doctors than I ever did going private and I'd be bankrupt without the VA. It's because of the VA that I have any savings at all

[–] USSEthernet@startrek.website 12 points 2 days ago

Agreed. They must have gotten better in the last decade too, because I don't see the horrible things that people have said about the VA. Yes there are long wait times for appointments, but that's happening in private care now as well.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How is veteran healthcare unauthorized?

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (8 children)

It was authorized, but it had an expiration date. Now it's something that we just take for granted so much we never even thought about having to re-authorize it.

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[–] Noite_Etion@lemmy.world 54 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

America: Our soldiers are heroes!

Also America: But they don't deserve a penny and should pay exorbitant prices for healthcare...

I know this isn't all Americans, but it's more than I thought.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

they just want Russia to be the top superpower

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[–] pineapple_pizza@lemmy.dexlit.xyz 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Okay I agree with the other comments here but I'm a bit confused on this.

How are we still spending money on these things if congress doesn't approve it? The legislature sets the budget, did they just forget to make it official and extend these? Also why even have a phase out period in the first place?

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

I think it's because there is a difference between the Budget and Appropriations in Congress. The budget is a plan, where programs are authorized and an overall budget is set. The appropriations process is what assigns particular dollars to particular discretionary programs. (Certain programs deemed "mandatory" by Congress, like Social Security, Medicare, and interest on the debt, get allocated money automatically and are not involved in appropriations)

If I had to guess, I would say that once a program is authorized once under a budget, it can continue as long as it (or the Federal department it is part of) is not specifically de-authorized, and as long as it continues to receive appropriations specifically for that program.

So, it is likely that this is all about Ramaswamy's total ignorance of how Congress works. Which tracks pretty well with what this DOGE is all about.

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[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 18 points 2 days ago

We can't be taking care of Veterans that is way to decent of a thing to do for Republicans.

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