this post was submitted on 12 Nov 2024

262 points (98.9% liked)

News

23638 readers

2822 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil

Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.

2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.

Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.

3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.

Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.

4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.

Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.

5. Only recent news is allowed.

Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.

6. All posts must be news articles.

No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.

7. No duplicate posts.

If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.

8. Misinformation is prohibited.

Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.

9. No link shorteners.

The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.

10. Don't copy entire article in your post body

For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 2 years ago

MODERATORS

rjc@lemmy.world

Thekingoflorda@lemmy.world

Tenthrow@lemmy.world

JonsJava@lemmy.world

gedaliyah@lemmy.world

little_cow@lemmy.world

jeffw@lemmy.world

enu@lemmy.world

262

Mom Jailed for Letting 10-Year-Old Walk Alone to Town (www.yahoo.com)

submitted 1 month ago by lousyd@lemmy.sdf.org to c/news@lemmy.world

52 comments fedilink hide all child comments

"A few days later, DFCS presented Patterson with a "safety plan" for her to sign. It would require her to delegate a "safety person" to be a "knowing participant and guardian" and watch over the children whenever she leaves home. The plan would also require Patterson to download an app onto her son's phone allowing for his location to be monitored. (The day when it will be illegal not to track one's kids is rapidly approaching.)"

top 50 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 160 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I read the article, and the only abuse here is the state abusing its authority.

I don't really know much about the mother other than what's in the story, but she obviously raised a child who feels independent enough to walk a mile to town by himself at age 11. (The title says "10", but the article says "11".) I would say that this is a positive thing.

On the other hand, the state is threatening to take away all of her children with this single incident. The state wants to break up this family unless she complies with all of their invasive demands. Breaking up a family seems like tyranny, especially in response to such an innocent incident.

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 62 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

When I was 11, that was 5th grade and we would rotate being on "safety patrol" which is where you would stand, by yourself, at certain intersections and make sure the younger kids waited for cars to pass and it was safe before crossing the street. Of course we walked to those spots by ourselves. And by age 12 I was babysitting other people's kids.

So those people and their rules are crazy. If we really aren't letting kids walk somewhere by themselves by age 10-11, no wonder our society is so dysfunctional. This has got to be very detrimental to the personal and social development of the children.

[–] irotsoma@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'd be willing to bet she's a single mother and these people are just going after her for that sin and to flaunt their power over someone they perceive as weak and evil. Otherwise, it makes no sense at all. I was forced to walk to the store alone many times starting at like 6 or 7, and I rode my bike all over the place from like 8 and up, way more than a mile from the house. And the crime rates are way lower now in most of the country. And there weren't cell phones.

[–] thegr8goldfish@startrek.website 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The article says she's married, but the husband works out of state.

[–] irotsoma@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Thanks, guess I missed that. No man for the LE to deal with, so they can flex. And no man there to raise the child other than the elderly, so it hurts their "family values".

[–] Paddzr@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

All this over a fucking mile? Holy shit.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 84 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It was less than a mile to town.

Literally less than a mile.

[–] jawa21@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It absolutely boggles my mind. When I was in 5th grade we rode bikes everywhere without anyone caring outside being home in time to eat and do homework. Less than a mile is visible without effort, possibly even if there are hills in the way.

[–] b3an@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

My grandmother literally used a whistle. I had to stay within hearing distance. Which was pretty loud tbh. We played outside all day though 😋 I didn’t get my first cell phone until 2003 I think. I hate to say it was better back in my day.. because it really wasn’t by many metrics. But by that metric, I think it mattered.

[–] GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca 55 points 1 month ago (7 children)

This is insane. When exactly is a permissible age for kids to be walking about on their own?

Things are absolutely different today than they were when I was a kid. My parents never had any idea where I was. They simply said "be home by dinner" and I was home by dinner. Did we get into trouble? Absolutely. But that's part of being kids.

Fast forward to today. My partner and I don't see eye to eye on this because of how things feel so unsafe now. I know how valuable that independence was for me though, so I tend towards permissiveness.

The thing is, kids still walk to school in all kinds of localities. I remember walking to school on a much busier road than the one described in this article. The worst I ever encountered was teenagers throwing eggs once. (Haha. They missed.) And yeah, drivers may hit you. I get it. The government can help mitigate that with better planning and sidewalks, if they actually cared.

But a tracking app too!? Where the government can know my kids location?! That presumes my children even have a phone with a mobile plan, which is a privilege the government isn't paying for. And if they did, @#$& you government! Seriously. WTF?!

I'm both flabbergasted and not. Because, these days, I pretty much only expect fuckery. I wish that weren't the case. I often hope it isn't. And I love being surprised when it's not the case. But 🤬!

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I was around this kid’s age when I was at a friend’s house for a sleep over and we decided to leave his house at 2 am and go downtown and see what was happening. We had big backpacks full of stuff because we were 10 and it was an adventure. Cops drove by and looked at us as they drove by and didn’t slow down. And the town was a whole hell of a lot bigger than the 370 population of this one. There were also a lot of people likely to be stumbling out of the downtown bars at 2 am, but I don't remember anything other than the cops driving by and looking at us. Apparently Indiana cops back then didn't think it was all that big a deal.

But things have changed for kids since the 1980s and, in cases like this, not for the better.

[–] GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If anything, the cops should have been more on the ball in your case. I would have been grateful as a parent. Bring the kid home and let it end there. What happened in this article is describing something so very far on the other side of the pendulum. Good grief.

As for me, I managed to stay out of sight of the police. And I will admit that there are times when the police would have had very very good reason to take me downtown. 😬 I can't even count how many times the cops brought my older brother home. But in every case, it ended there.

I'm guessing the cops want to make sure kids are better controlled these days that way they can more effectively shoot other innocent kids with all that extra free time they have.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

It was the 80s. They were probably just glad we were just walking through downtown with backpacks on and not taking a hit off a homeless man's crack pipe without heeding Nancy Reagan's warning about saying no.

[–] Lemming6969@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

It's not unsafe... It's never been safer.

[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This is insane. When exactly is a permissible age for kids to be walking about on their own?

In Georgia, probably 30.

[–] shottymcb@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago

I live on the same street as an elementary school, I see dozens of 3rd-5th graders walking to school every morning. Really confused about why this person was singled out.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 4 points 1 month ago

I babysat younger kids at 13 while the parents went out and got back after midnight. Nowadays I think leaving a 13 year old alone would get someone in trouble much less have them be the one watching the other kids.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I wouldn't mind having USPS offer cellular service and Internet, as a service. Bring back basic banking at the post office too. Solid revenue streams for the USPS and cuts out the cancer of ISPs and cell companies.

[–] GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

Easy to monitor too. 😏

[–] SeekPie@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

Where I'm from, most kids start walking/biking/taking a bus to school from the 1st grade.

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 38 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

I would have thought a red state like Georgia would not have what they call "Nanny state" laws? I'd like to see the actual wording of the "reckless conduct" law they would be charging her under. Does it actually specify how, when and where your children can go unsupervised and what ages of children it applies to, or do the cops just get to "use their own judgement"?

edit to add: I feel sorry for kids growing up today and apparently in the last 20 years or so. When I was a kid our mothers just said "Be back by supper" and we went out and played wherever. they didn't know where we were. No cell phones to track us.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 38 points 1 month ago

If you think Republicans aren't the party of surveillance and authoritarianism then you must have never looked at any policy ever written by one.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Meanwhile, in ‘Commie-fornia’, I regularly see kids that age riding on the (public, not school) bus alone. And when I lived in New York I’d see them on the subway. Not the slightest bit unusual in the early afternoon when school lets out.

But conservatives are terrified of their neighbors, for some reason. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] Zahille7@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

When I lived in San Diego I literally took the city bus to school. And so did a lot of other students (not just at my school). There were times the drivers didn't know the stops so I'd have to tell them they passed it.

[–] Sentau@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 month ago

But conservatives are terrified of their neighbors, for some reason. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Can't blame them. Most conservatives in the USA are unstable, gun wielding nuts.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

or do the cops just get to “use their own judgement”?

ding ding ding ding ding

We have a winner.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Republicans love that shit. They hate regulation that stops large faceless coporations from deatroying the environment or working their employees to death but they can’t get enough of controlling everyone who isn’t like them.

In this case I really can’t tell what it is they want to control, though, besides maybe a small community harrassing someone they don’t like for reasons we don’t know?

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The other side of the coin is when kids are legitimately getting abused and it gets brushed off as a kid "acting out".

[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"She kept mentioning how he could have been run over, or kidnapped or 'anything' could have happened," recalls Patterson.

Might have even had Police Contact and that's dangerous as FUCK.

[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How is that different from what anyone faces when they go out?

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago

Yeah, why isn't anyone clutching their pearls when I walk my dog twice a day? I'm in the street, on the sidewalk , I even cross medians. And I have a large dog, so I could theoretically be attacked by a large dog. "Anything" could happen.

[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Software neutrality MUST become a constitutional right. I will never install your proprietary subcontracted stalkerware garbage and you never never have a right to extort me onto some stalkerware platform of any kind. My device is like my home. I have a right as a citizen in a democracy to lock my doors and bar anyone I choose from entry.

load more comments (4 replies)

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

These dumb fucks should come out where I live. Little kids younger than that walking much farther than that to school alone.

Because we're fucking normal here.

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I remember days around that age where I'd bike much further than that alone.

[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I was thinking the same thing. Where I live most kids walk to school as we have limited bus’ and very accessible walking paths. Things just freaking nuts.

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 month ago

The absolute state of the U.S. A thousand years of shame would not be enough

[–] ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

10 year old is too young to walk alone to town but 16 year old can be trusted with a car.

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The car is the difference. If they could ban walking everywhere, they would. Who knows, maybe they will

https://lemmy.world/c/fuckcars

[–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Europeans who's children go to school alone at 6 would be laughing their ass off if this wasn't such outrageous bs

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There are cities all over the U.S. where American children walk to school alone.

[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 month ago

And in this case, it wasn't even a city. Just a town of 370!

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 18 points 1 month ago

You don't want the Dutch scenario to happen. Children as young as 6 are joining bike gangs that hog half the trail width and don't bother to step down in pedestrian zones!

[–] undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch 12 points 1 month ago

If I already didn’t wish to bring kids into this world this would’ve pushed me there. Holy 🤬.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 9 points 1 month ago

America, fuck yeah!

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Looks like Georgia DOES have a "Reasonable Childhood Independence" law...

https://letgrow.org/states/

So cops are ignorant or just don't care?

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 1 month ago

Huh? What the actual fuck?

[–] Darrell_Winfield@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

This is my third time coming across this topic today. I was waiting for additional information, but I wonder if there is any history there. Maybe the sheriff has been feuding with the family for a while and wanted to use this as an opportunity to exert dominance. Maybe they suspect the kid has truly been causing trouble and so are using this as an opportunity to track the kid and see.

Overall, seems like an overreaction, especially in small town USA.

[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 0 points 1 month ago

The State requires Adults to be responsible for Children until they are at the end of the age of Legal custody, these ages vary, but it's usually 18 years old
It it very difficult for The State to determine which activities done without Adult supervision are safe for children, I mean, just look at the Catholic Church
The State is a hammer, everything it sees is a nail

load more comments