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Mom Jailed for Letting 10-Year-Old Walk Alone to Town (www.yahoo.com)

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"A few days later, DFCS presented Patterson with a "safety plan" for her to sign. It would require her to delegate a "safety person" to be a "knowing participant and guardian" and watch over the children whenever she leaves home. The plan would also require Patterson to download an app onto her son's phone allowing for his location to be monitored. (The day when it will be illegal not to track one's kids is rapidly approaching.)"

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[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 160 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I read the article, and the only abuse here is the state abusing its authority.

I don't really know much about the mother other than what's in the story, but she obviously raised a child who feels independent enough to walk a mile to town by himself at age 11. (The title says "10", but the article says "11".) I would say that this is a positive thing.

On the other hand, the state is threatening to take away all of her children with this single incident. The state wants to break up this family unless she complies with all of their invasive demands. Breaking up a family seems like tyranny, especially in response to such an innocent incident.

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 62 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

When I was 11, that was 5th grade and we would rotate being on "safety patrol" which is where you would stand, by yourself, at certain intersections and make sure the younger kids waited for cars to pass and it was safe before crossing the street. Of course we walked to those spots by ourselves. And by age 12 I was babysitting other people's kids.

So those people and their rules are crazy. If we really aren't letting kids walk somewhere by themselves by age 10-11, no wonder our society is so dysfunctional. This has got to be very detrimental to the personal and social development of the children.

[–] Paddzr@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

All this over a fucking mile? Holy shit.

[–] irotsoma@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'd be willing to bet she's a single mother and these people are just going after her for that sin and to flaunt their power over someone they perceive as weak and evil. Otherwise, it makes no sense at all. I was forced to walk to the store alone many times starting at like 6 or 7, and I rode my bike all over the place from like 8 and up, way more than a mile from the house. And the crime rates are way lower now in most of the country. And there weren't cell phones.

[–] thegr8goldfish@startrek.website 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The article says she's married, but the husband works out of state.

[–] irotsoma@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Thanks, guess I missed that. No man for the LE to deal with, so they can flex. And no man there to raise the child other than the elderly, so it hurts their "family values".

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 84 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It was less than a mile to town.

Literally less than a mile.

[–] jawa21@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It absolutely boggles my mind. When I was in 5th grade we rode bikes everywhere without anyone caring outside being home in time to eat and do homework. Less than a mile is visible without effort, possibly even if there are hills in the way.

[–] b3an@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

My grandmother literally used a whistle. I had to stay within hearing distance. Which was pretty loud tbh. We played outside all day though 😋 I didn’t get my first cell phone until 2003 I think. I hate to say it was better back in my day.. because it really wasn’t by many metrics. But by that metric, I think it mattered.

[–] GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca 55 points 2 days ago (7 children)

This is insane. When exactly is a permissible age for kids to be walking about on their own?

Things are absolutely different today than they were when I was a kid. My parents never had any idea where I was. They simply said "be home by dinner" and I was home by dinner. Did we get into trouble? Absolutely. But that's part of being kids.

Fast forward to today. My partner and I don't see eye to eye on this because of how things feel so unsafe now. I know how valuable that independence was for me though, so I tend towards permissiveness.

The thing is, kids still walk to school in all kinds of localities. I remember walking to school on a much busier road than the one described in this article. The worst I ever encountered was teenagers throwing eggs once. (Haha. They missed.) And yeah, drivers may hit you. I get it. The government can help mitigate that with better planning and sidewalks, if they actually cared.

But a tracking app too!? Where the government can know my kids location?! That presumes my children even have a phone with a mobile plan, which is a privilege the government isn't paying for. And if they did, @#$& you government! Seriously. WTF?!

I'm both flabbergasted and not. Because, these days, I pretty much only expect fuckery. I wish that weren't the case. I often hope it isn't. And I love being surprised when it's not the case. But 🤬!

[–] Lemming6969@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

It's not unsafe... It's never been safer.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I was around this kid’s age when I was at a friend’s house for a sleep over and we decided to leave his house at 2 am and go downtown and see what was happening. We had big backpacks full of stuff because we were 10 and it was an adventure. Cops drove by and looked at us as they drove by and didn’t slow down. And the town was a whole hell of a lot bigger than the 370 population of this one. There were also a lot of people likely to be stumbling out of the downtown bars at 2 am, but I don't remember anything other than the cops driving by and looking at us. Apparently Indiana cops back then didn't think it was all that big a deal.

But things have changed for kids since the 1980s and, in cases like this, not for the better.

[–] GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If anything, the cops should have been more on the ball in your case. I would have been grateful as a parent. Bring the kid home and let it end there. What happened in this article is describing something so very far on the other side of the pendulum. Good grief.

As for me, I managed to stay out of sight of the police. And I will admit that there are times when the police would have had very very good reason to take me downtown. 😬 I can't even count how many times the cops brought my older brother home. But in every case, it ended there.

I'm guessing the cops want to make sure kids are better controlled these days that way they can more effectively shoot other innocent kids with all that extra free time they have.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

It was the 80s. They were probably just glad we were just walking through downtown with backpacks on and not taking a hit off a homeless man's crack pipe without heeding Nancy Reagan's warning about saying no.

[–] shottymcb@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago

I live on the same street as an elementary school, I see dozens of 3rd-5th graders walking to school every morning. Really confused about why this person was singled out.

[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

This is insane. When exactly is a permissible age for kids to be walking about on their own?

In Georgia, probably 30.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 4 points 2 days ago

I babysat younger kids at 13 while the parents went out and got back after midnight. Nowadays I think leaving a 13 year old alone would get someone in trouble much less have them be the one watching the other kids.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I wouldn't mind having USPS offer cellular service and Internet, as a service. Bring back basic banking at the post office too. Solid revenue streams for the USPS and cuts out the cancer of ISPs and cell companies.

[–] GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Easy to monitor too. 😏

[–] SeekPie@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

Where I'm from, most kids start walking/biking/taking a bus to school from the 1st grade.

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 day ago

The absolute state of the U.S. A thousand years of shame would not be enough

[–] ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

10 year old is too young to walk alone to town but 16 year old can be trusted with a car.

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The car is the difference. If they could ban walking everywhere, they would. Who knows, maybe they will

https://lemmy.world/c/fuckcars

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 18 points 1 day ago

You don't want the Dutch scenario to happen. Children as young as 6 are joining bike gangs that hog half the trail width and don't bother to step down in pedestrian zones!

[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"She kept mentioning how he could have been run over, or kidnapped or 'anything' could have happened," recalls Patterson.

Might have even had Police Contact and that's dangerous as FUCK.

[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How is that different from what anyone faces when they go out?

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago

Yeah, why isn't anyone clutching their pearls when I walk my dog twice a day? I'm in the street, on the sidewalk , I even cross medians. And I have a large dog, so I could theoretically be attacked by a large dog. "Anything" could happen.

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 38 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

I would have thought a red state like Georgia would not have what they call "Nanny state" laws? I'd like to see the actual wording of the "reckless conduct" law they would be charging her under. Does it actually specify how, when and where your children can go unsupervised and what ages of children it applies to, or do the cops just get to "use their own judgement"?

edit to add: I feel sorry for kids growing up today and apparently in the last 20 years or so. When I was a kid our mothers just said "Be back by supper" and we went out and played wherever. they didn't know where we were. No cell phones to track us.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 38 points 2 days ago

If you think Republicans aren't the party of surveillance and authoritarianism then you must have never looked at any policy ever written by one.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Meanwhile, in ‘Commie-fornia’, I regularly see kids that age riding on the (public, not school) bus alone. And when I lived in New York I’d see them on the subway. Not the slightest bit unusual in the early afternoon when school lets out.

But conservatives are terrified of their neighbors, for some reason. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] Sentau@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 day ago

But conservatives are terrified of their neighbors, for some reason. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Can't blame them. Most conservatives in the USA are unstable, gun wielding nuts.

[–] Zahille7@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

When I lived in San Diego I literally took the city bus to school. And so did a lot of other students (not just at my school). There were times the drivers didn't know the stops so I'd have to tell them they passed it.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

or do the cops just get to “use their own judgement”?

ding ding ding ding ding

We have a winner.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Republicans love that shit. They hate regulation that stops large faceless coporations from deatroying the environment or working their employees to death but they can’t get enough of controlling everyone who isn’t like them.

In this case I really can’t tell what it is they want to control, though, besides maybe a small community harrassing someone they don’t like for reasons we don’t know?

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The other side of the coin is when kids are legitimately getting abused and it gets brushed off as a kid "acting out".

[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Software neutrality MUST become a constitutional right. I will never install your proprietary subcontracted stalkerware garbage and you never never have a right to extort me onto some stalkerware platform of any kind. My device is like my home. I have a right as a citizen in a democracy to lock my doors and bar anyone I choose from entry.

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Uh... If this were a legitimate abuse scenario (it isn't), they could come check up on your home too.

There are also things called search warrants.

[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

I'm well aware. Child Services is a criminal organisation that should be loathed by everyone. Every agent there is incentivised through commission to exploit the parties involved. They are worse than the police in atrocities and terrorism.

Forcing someone to use an OS, platform, or app is placing something like Google or Amazon into a position as your judge/cop entering your home. It is more like forcing you to house them and their thousands of stalker business partners to collect data to manipulate and exploit you. It may sound very tin foil hat at first. I understand that people do not keep up with digital progress and change. Think about how often the internet is your primary source of information. There are only 2 web crawlers Google's and Microsoft's. There are no others that are relevant or useful any more. All search engines query one of these two databases either directly or through their API. This is the major massive information bottleneck of concern. If you follow so far, here is the kicker, your search results are not deterministic. Two people searching for the exact same thing on two different devices at the same time, will get different results. The information you see is biased and cherry picked. This is why the data has been collected. That data is a fundamental part of your person. It is bought and sold to manipulate you in the present age. This is a coup against democracy. Back in the first 3 years of primary school you should have learned the 3 pillars of democracy: Legislative, Judicial, and the free Press for a well informed public. There are 6 entities in control of all news media and all are owned by billionaires with anti democratic agendas. The internet is the last refuge of real democracy of any kind. This is the fundamental reason it matters and why free software matters. This is actually the front line of the fight to have any form of free information and democratic right of autonomy. The moment this last refuge is snuffed out, the entire house of cards will fall and the neo dark ages will truly begin. This mirrors the history of feudalism 1:1. Anyone asking you to trust them on this level is looking to enslave you. That is the endgame of this issue. The goal is not to make you a slave in name. The goal is to alter the meaning of the word citizen to cause the term to be functionally interchangeable.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

These dumb fucks should come out where I live. Little kids younger than that walking much farther than that to school alone.

Because we're fucking normal here.

[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

I was thinking the same thing. Where I live most kids walk to school as we have limited bus’ and very accessible walking paths. Things just freaking nuts.

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

I remember days around that age where I'd bike much further than that alone.

[–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Europeans who's children go to school alone at 6 would be laughing their ass off if this wasn't such outrageous bs

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There are cities all over the U.S. where American children walk to school alone.

[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 days ago

And in this case, it wasn't even a city. Just a town of 370!

[–] undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch 12 points 2 days ago

If I already didn’t wish to bring kids into this world this would’ve pushed me there. Holy 🤬.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 9 points 2 days ago

America, fuck yeah!

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Looks like Georgia DOES have a "Reasonable Childhood Independence" law...

https://letgrow.org/states/

So cops are ignorant or just don't care?

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 2 days ago

Huh? What the actual fuck?

[–] Darrell_Winfield@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

This is my third time coming across this topic today. I was waiting for additional information, but I wonder if there is any history there. Maybe the sheriff has been feuding with the family for a while and wanted to use this as an opportunity to exert dominance. Maybe they suspect the kid has truly been causing trouble and so are using this as an opportunity to track the kid and see.

Overall, seems like an overreaction, especially in small town USA.

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