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[–] NineMileTower@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

Did anyone actually watch the video? She's upset that neither side represent what she deems acceptable.

She's young and doesn't understand that government doesn't get fixed in a day. Where we are is the result of influence from corporate stooges since Reagan. It's come to a boiling point and I understand her frustration. A vote for Harris is a vote for steering the ship towards what she deems is acceptable, but that ship sails slower than a lot people can understand.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 8 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

She’s young and doesn’t understand that government doesn’t get fixed in a day.

I'm old and I'm still waiting for the government to be fixed.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

We keep breaking it by voting for Republicans every now and then.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

If Democrats ran every branch of the government at every level I still doubt it would get fixed.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -2 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

California is doing pretty damn good. Not perfect, but head and shoulders above the rest of the country.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

In what way is CA doing 'pretty damn good'..?

[–] hate2bme@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

By bulldozing homeless camps I guess.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

You live under a rock or something?

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I mean it guess they're not banning books or switching to school vouchers but I'm pretty sure low income households are doing just as bad if not worse over there

Are they, like, tearing down homeless encampments on a monthly basis?

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Guess you have been living under a rock. Strong economy AND strong worker protections, lots of unions, high minimum wage, robust anti-discrimination laws, there's countless things that make life in California better for low income households.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Exactly: Even if they ran everything they'd do stupid shit.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

"Nothing is perfect, therefore everything is equally shit."

What a stupid philosophy. Like all "bothsides" bullshit.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

That's not what I'm saying at all but don't let that stop you from punching left.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Is the stupid shit Democrats do significantly less stupid than the stupid shit Republicans do?

If you keep getting punched everywhere you go, it's time for some introspection my friend.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, but it's still stupid shit that will get done in my name, with my money, that I have no power to prevent.

And in your opinion I should be happy about it.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

You're not happy about a significant reduction in stupidity of the people in control of your government?

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

You're happy about our government still being stupid?

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

It'll never be smart, because we always demand more of it. Which is fair. Being better than the average, being better than before, and moving in the right direction are all excellent things that we should be happy about.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I've come to accept that the best I can ever hope for from our government is that it's marginally better than it was before. As long as I don't look too close at the details to find the ratfuckery or corruption or red tape.

But I refuse to be happy about it the fact that government will always be stupid.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Improvement is good and should be appreciated.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not going to give people a reward for not doing something they shouldn't be doing in the first place.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

Then they'll stop making the effort.

[–] i_ben_fine@lemmy.one 1 points 14 hours ago

Are you significantly older than Chappell Roan? Because I'm imagining you're the one who doesn't understand something.

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 38 points 1 day ago (7 children)

She's not that young, she's been doing music for a decade and working service jobs till now. And you can understand something and still feel it is unacceptable.

[–] ech@lemm.ee 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

She's 26. That's fairly young for a voter. Not really sure what her cv has to do with being considered old.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Service industry work can build wisdom.

[–] scarilog@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Idk about wisdom but I can attest to a speedy loss in faith of the human population.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 8 points 23 hours ago

Some would say that can be the same thing.

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[–] lone_faerie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

She's been getting a lot of hate for not endorsing Harris and people fail to realize the difference between endorsing and voting. Her entire point is that the government can't be fixed in a day. Voting for Harris is the obvious choice but her being in office isn't going to magically solve all our problems.

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Except, by definition, she is endorsing Harris by publicly supporting her candidacy. Endorse doesn't mean you agree with everything they stand for, but if you are publicly saying who you are voting for, that's an endorsement.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

A: this isn't really an endorsement, more than it is an acknowledgement of how fucked the options are. If you'd like to know the difference, go look at what Swifts endorsement looked like

B: she wasn't even going to say who she was voting for, but libs decided to harass her until she did

example: I use windows for work but i'm sure as fuck not going to recommend it to other people. Saying that i'm forced to use windows for work is not an endorsement. I'd go so far as to say that in this context it's more of a complaint or indictment than a endorsement.

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

She is telling the world that she thinks Harris is the best choice to vote for in this election. It's 100% an endorsement. Literally by definition. People seem to be confusing endorsing someone to marrying yourself to all of their views.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

declare one's public approval or support of.

Err, you working from a different dictionary?

This is why she resisted saying who she was voting for initially, and why she is explicitly saying she is not endorsing

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

What does voting for someone do if not show support for them? In a democracy it's the ultimate form of support.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Lmao, idk maybe go watch her videos, she is definitely not voicing support and certainly not approval

Just so I'm clear: you're saying that if I had a gun to my head and was forced to choose between getting shot or eating dogshit, and I chose dogshit, that would be considered an endorsement?

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Just so I’m clear:

She is neither being forced to vote for anyone, nor forced to let us know who she voted for. So, no, you're not clear about it at all.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 points 7 hours ago

You really don't see the distinction? Being forced into making a choice you don't like, and voicing a public approval of someone's candidacy?

I mean think what you want i guess

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 0 points 20 hours ago

The problem is she's trying to bring nuance to a bumper sticker platform.

[–] aalvare2@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

I agree with the core of what you’re saying except I disagree that she “doesn’t understand” how slowly politics works. I think her decision to vote for Harris anyway speaks to that kind of understanding, else she’d endorse a third-party candidate/write-in in a poor attempt to speed-run democracy.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah I get it. I was young once and I’ve even had to have the bitter realization that even Revolution neither happens in a day nor resolves anything quickly. I ask for the passion of the young to hold hands with the wisdom of us older folks. It’s easy to demand sudden change, and important too, but building bases of power are important.

Vote for Kamala then hold her feet to the fire. Vote in every primary. Discuss what you think with people around you when it comes up, I know I’m the annoying pro trains girl at work. Build the support and make those maga losers afraid to show their faces.

And entertainers can do so much. Cobain got people who wouldn’t otherwise thinking of homophobia as uncool for example

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

I know I’m the annoying pro trains girl at work.

Ugh, train people are the worst. WE GET IT, YOU LIKE TRAINS.

Edit: I genuinely thought this was a typo and they meant "pro-trans." But maybe they actually did mean "trains."

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

I’m not cis passing enough to be openly talking trans issues at work. Nah I talk public transit. Shit like replacing air travel with high speed rail.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 0 points 19 hours ago

If it makes it better I’m also annoying about other infrastructure. Dams are excellent

[–] Clarity_daffodil@lemmy.world -2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Kamala isn't in the correct direction at all though. The democratic party serves to delay progress in favor of the Republican party. There's a reason they lie so much and confuse and refuse to address issues progressive voters want to address. It's not gonna get better unless people stop voting for the same "lesser evil" presented to them and pushed to them in the media.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 0 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

It's not going to get better under Trump either, and your ballot has more choices than President on it. I'm sure you volunteered for local progressive campaigns, right?

In the American elections you can definitely vote in.