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'Trump says 'big bill' should only help GOP states: 'Don't want to benefit Dem governors'
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Remind me which states pay all the fucking taxes again?
Remind me again why some states would want to remain in a union if they aren't benefiting from the partnership
External threats, namely Russia and China who worked hard to create this problem in the first place.
Just asking but what about Kansas that has 3/4 districts support the President and a Dem gov cause our most populated district is the blue one? Do we get the money? Half? Maybe we get the money but we go screw ourselves later?
As soon as tornado season is in full swing ... you'll know your answer
In 2023, Tulsa was without power and water in many places for days to weeks. Both the governor and the lieutenant governor were out of town/unreachable. There needed to be a declaration of emergency, but no one knew who was in charge.
The response to what happened in Tulsa was abject neglect; if it had happened in any other area of Oklahoma, it would have mattered. But Tulsa is Black and Blue.
But they won’t know when the Tornados are coming because Trump gutted NOAA
Hey I only start civil wars in OTHER countries.
Sounds like something a CIA chatbot would say ..... hmmmmmm
Those of us in Missouri and Kentucky already know
Can we just get to the Civil war part of this timeline already, I’m fucking tired man
I realize I'm making some optimistic assumptions about the durability of our election apparatus, but if we can't get a shift in power at the midterms I suspect the fascist in chief will accelerate his rate of attacks on freedoms and it won't be long after that. I predict we make it no later than slightly past the midterms before hitting that point unless there's a big shift on the congressional side of things.
Not so much because I think people will take to the streets with that in mind, by the way, but because tensions will be so high that somebody somewhere is going to make just the wrong mistake, some people are going to die or get badly hurt, and it's going to set things off from there.
I'm just so fucking pissed that Trump keeps pulling his fucking punches. He's made so many missteps only to walk them back at the last minute. Still fucking horrible, still hurting people, but avoiding the vast majority of the actual impact and lethality of his decisions.
Tariffs being example A, B, C and D.
I do NOT want prices to skyrocket, I do not want people to suffer, I do not want a fucking civil war. But holy shit. You can't play stupid chicken as the president and continuously get away with saying "oops" sorry someone else ruined the sick flip I was going to do over and over.
If he'd been forced to commit, he'd likely already be dead or out of office.
I'm so fucking exhausted.
Walking back the tariffs was always part of the plan. The whole thing is the biggest market manipulation fraud in history. He puts the tariffs on for a few days, the market tanks, them he postpones the tariffs, and the market bounces back.
He's only been in about 3 months, and he's already done it 3 or 4 times. It's all a scam, everything with these mobsters is a scam.
You and me both. 🫂
If you are Trump, for reasons I still cannot fully fathom and which have seriously damaged my view of humanity in general, you can, it seems.
No, he hasn't really held back. The worst damage has its effects delayed, but will become apparent within two years: The elimination of food and drug standards, the death of NOAA's weather services, the destruction of our scientific institutions, cutting of federal workers of every category.
Our society has been hollowed into a house of cards, and will only require a breeze for everything to fall apart.
Less a breeze and more a huge stinky fart.
If there is a civil war, I'm sure the enemies of the US would rejoice. It's like that onion article that's like "al queda decides to sit back and watch US destroy itself".
But aside from that, I hope the conservatives lose. And I hope after they lose, we learn from history. Don't just let them come crawling back into power like after the first civil war. The ultra rich and their lackeys need to be removed from power, and kept out.
Then again, the 14th amendment should disqualify Trump and a bunch of the republicans, and that doesn't seem to matter.
Personally, I think a United States that has eliminated the GOP, we would actually be able to reobtain Super Saiyan status among the nations of earth. Our greatest weakness, is that many parts of our governance are dated compared to the institutions of the European Union - we can't elect many good politicians, rife with corruption, a broken social identity where American cannot be defined, abusive corporations and employers, failing education, the failure of the social contract, crumbling infrastructure, ect. For the last 40ish or so years, American has been running on inertia and a big military stick, which masked the erosion of America.
Fix these things, and suddenly the US might become a genuine super power again.
It's going to take a helluva lot longer than "suddenly" for the rest of the world to trust the USA again.
You fuckwits knew what Trump was and you went and made the same stupid fucking mistake again 4 years later.
Even if you kick Trump and the MAGAts out, how can we trust that you won't simply let them seize power again in a couple of years?
It's going to take a generation of sane progressive leaders before anyone will start to forgive and forget.
*8 years later
4 years after getting rid of him they invited him back in.
The GOP really is the worst of us, and removing it would do wonders. The Democrats aren't perfect (or even good half the time), but they're like herpes compared to the gop's aggressive cancer.
If there is. There already is. The revolution we'll be bloodless if the left allows it - Kevin Roberts. Leader of project 2025.
They have said the next civil war we'll be bloodless if the left allows it. And it seems the left doesn't even know they are in a civil war.
The civil war has already started- and the “opposition” seems pretty content to spend the first stages allowing MAGA to set up the battlefields and terms of engagement to their liking.
It never ended. The side that thought it won just stopped fighting.
They didn’t only stop fighting- they tried to find a middle ground. Dipshits.
It’ll be super fucked if we do. If it’s left vs right you’ll have most of the major cities besieged by rural folk. If it’s state on state, Red and blue states both will have to “secure” vast swaths of their populations or suffer constant sabotage.
This isn’t as easily cut and dry, north vs south, as the US civil war was. Modern civil war would be a hell of destroyed cities and slaughtered or starving innocents. Just look at all current conflicts. You may be tired now, but it’s nothing compared to the reality of what USCWII would be.
Closest analogous conflicts I could imagine would be when the us bombed eastern europe. Urban areas would be bereft of food and incoming supplies, rural areas would be bereft of most foods and incoming supplies, and everyone devolves into roving gangs and desperate attempts to fortify an area of 'trusted' neighbors.
Reading the first hand accounts of what people went through is enough to make me horrified whenever anyone talks about the possibility of a civil war with glee. They don't have the imagination or the knowledge to comprehend what neighbor vs. neighbor really looks like.
Weird to frame the breakup wars and ethnic conflict of Yugoslavia around the part that the US played in it. Assuming that was what you were talking about
Well, that was the perspective of the people I spoke to and read of, so it's how I interpret the stories I was told.
Makes sense, it's just unusual perspective to me
Which is why we should all be joining up with supportive local community groups, like, yesterday. Under this administration, one should best assume that there is no official safety net anymore. The dictator-in-chief can sign an executive order and remove everything on a whim.
We're going to be reliant on our neighbors in a way we haven't seen in generations. Get involved and start making connections now. There are organizations across the country that serve their own communities.
One quick note - be mindful of how those organizations are funded. If they rely on government funding, that means they're beholden to the government. To this government. Which can choose to withhold funding or to attach ridiculous strings to it. On the other hand, if they're completely donation-based by the local community, they can remain faithful to their members' interests and keep running regardless of which politicians are in charge. Just something to keep in mind.
If they try to secede this time, we should just let them fucking go.
I mean, let them go with crippled legs and salted earth, but yeah.
I mean.. when they stop stealing taxes from the other states and realize how little they produce on their own and how few ports they have on their river ways... They can have a merry brexit all on their own.
Mine pays for a huge number of them. California.
We're going to vote on whether we want to seriously pursue succeeding from the US in 2028. If this shit doesn't stop, I imagine things will slowly fall apart in this country.
California recently (this year, I believe) became the fourth largest GDP in the world, previously the fifth.
https://www.sos.ca.gov/administration/news-releases-and-advisories/2025-news-releases-and-advisories/Proposed-Initiative-Enters-Circulation-Requires-Future-Vote-on-Whether-California-Should-Become-Independent-Country
Technically, it isn't a vote for secession, but rather a vote for dedicating resources towards researching the option. Which, honestly, would be better IMO. It gives California options, since we don't exactly know how things will look two-four years from now. We could have AOC sweeping out Trump in a special election, we could have Trump's parade murdering civilians who block the procession, we simply don't know.
So we should all prepare our blue states for the possibility of conflict, be it knowledge, resources, or institution. Hope for the best, expect the worst.
Trump might just turn the faucet on and flood your entire state.
Well, huh. If half the state participates, and 55% of the participants vote yes, it'll mean a vote of no confidence in the US, but won't actually mean secession. It'll form a commission to study the viability though.
2028 is a long way away.
This is what always blows my mind. All these states with leadership bitching about mooching off the federal government are exactly the states which mooch off of the federal government, because their states produce literally nothing.
Wrong. Those states produce violent fascists and religious kooks. Build a wall around them and stop fucking giving them money.
He’s saying he wants to make that imbalanced dynamic worse than he did last time. It’s a comically nihilistic strategy - or at least, it would be, if I didn’t live in one of the bluest states in the damn country
What would it take for those states to stop collecting Federal income taxes?