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Mark my words: they will put Kamala 2.0. or Gavin in the race for president instead of AOC or any other progressive.
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For the record, I voted for her because she wasn't Trump. As a voter, I didn't much appreciate being assigned a Democratic candidate instead of given a chance to vote for one. I was even less thrilled about her insistence on cozying up to the likes of Liz Cheney because the DNC arrogantly thought they could court Republicans who didn't like Trump. Add in her denial that there's a genocide going on in Palestine or that the average American was economically hurting despite a booming stock market and you could probably see why not many people liked her.
I like that America chose to microscopically analyze and criticize Harris while a felon rapist traitor who shits on our Constitution and tanks our economy waltzed into the Oval Office.
Sounds like you ended up making the right decision, but so many others didn't. Couldn't see the forest for the trees. Because America is dumb.
Right, Harris was a good candidate, that's why her primary campaign lasted all the way to december of 2019.
Yeah man I'm sure Winston Churchill, the drunken failure who lost his own easiest possible post WW2 election to Clement Attlee, is totally not blaming his loss to the voters and not his failure to run a proper public campaign.
Which is why she willingly chose to ignore millions of constituent demands, and banned an entire Democratic party ethnic base from partaking in the DNC because "fuck you, kiss Israel's ass lol".
And that defnitley didn't backfire at all because voters love being told to eat shit and vote for the lesser evil, especially after not being able to participate in a primary where a candidate people actually wanted could at least be voted on.
spoiler
Seriously the actual stupidity to run a Churchill quote in response to voter demands is astounding, especailly because he got shrekt in 1945.The bottom line is America isn't going to jeopardize their allegiance with Israel. They're our most important ally in the Middle East.
So what you're really saying is you would have preferred if Democrats lied like Republicans and said during the election that they would put their foot down regarding Israel, only to take that back once elected.
And honestly, I would agree with you. So many dumbasses in this country chose to vote 3rd party or not vote because of the whole Israel/Palestine thing that now a felon rapist traitor who shits on our Constitution and tanks our economy is president. So yeah, I kinda wish Democrats just pulled a Republican move and blatantly lied about their intentions during the election and then walked it all back after winning.
Single issue voters/abstainers make me nauseous. Especially when so much is on the line.
And now we're learning the hard way.
Liberals will never, for an instant, ask themselves why Israel is such an important ally - not even when confronted with a choice between standing behind them literally committing a genocide and allowing a felon rapist take office.
'We can't abandon our ally' is the most lazy lie the state department has ever successfully sold their citizens completely unchallenged right next to 'we're looking for WMD's'
Democrats do lie about their intentions all the time. I saw Biden and Obama's campaigns, and presidencies.
Harris was actually one of the most honest campaigns that the Democrats have run
So basically, whether Democrats lie or not, they lose because they're held to a different standard and a felon rapist gets to sink our nation.
Man, what a stupid country.
Nah, I think they're held to a pretty similar standard. They just did a worse job than Trump did when it came to acknowledging how shitty life has become for Americans.
The Republicans ran on "Everything is fucked. Fascism, genocide and racism are going to fix it."
The Democrats ran on "Everything is great! But we're gonna do genocide and draconian border policies more than they are."
If the voting-base you are trying to win over is angry about how things are going, and you offer them a solution, they'll likely vote for you. But if your voter-base is angry about how things are going, and you fight against what they want, then you probably aren't gonna get many votes.
There aren't enough LOLs in the universe for me to respond to this. Like, this is one of the silliest comments I've ever read. If you honestly believe that both parties are held to similar standards, you are either super young and haven't been around long enough to know better, or you just REALLY don't pay attention. IMAGINE a Democrat president doing a FRACTION of what Trump has done, even just in the last 3 months. Not to mention the last presidency. Just IMAGINE it. IMAGINE Democrats in Congress saying things like what Marjorie Taylor Greene has said. They'd be fucking GONE. To say that both parties are held to a similar standard requires a level of ignorance I simply cannot fathom.
How far back does your memory go? Donald Trump said he had "concepts of plans" which is him openly stating he doesn't have a fucking plan. Meanwhile, Harris ended up laying out her economic plan. So only one candidate had a fucking plan, and Americans chose to vote for the one that didn't. They also chose to vote for a FELON RAPIST instead of a literal fucking prosecutor with a doctorate in law.
STUPID. COUNTRY.
Harris represented the Democratic party, but conceded numerous Republican talking points like immigration, highlighted that she was a gun owner, and campaigned with the Cheneys. Kamala refused to take a strong stance on Gaza giving little more than lip service to Palestinians and their supporters, rarely talked about ideas like universal healthcare or wealth inequality, and dismissed the general concerns about the economy.
Voters failed, yes. They failed to turn out and prevent the obvious danger of another Trump presidency or were ignorant enough to vote for him. However, the Democratic leadership also failed. They hid the state of Joe Biden from the public until the last minute. They failed to engage their base and, for the third election in a row, boosted a middling candidate over progressive candidates and then relied on negative campaigni against Trump to provide enough of a turnout.
i felt the israel thing has much less of effect on voters than you think, maybe in Michigan, but both parties wholely support the genocide, so theres not much issue there. its the constant attack by msm on biden and harris throughout the campaign
Ok. I'm sorry you feel that way.
Every time a progressive candidate has run in a primary they lost. The American public is one Facebook ad away from voting for a face eating Leopard. If they really wanted universal Healthcare they would have voted it by now. Voters failed, the dems run with the candidate that had the most chances of winning. And then the voters failed again. Twice.
When a progressive candidate runs in a primary, the party itself sabotages them. The party leadership and party-favored candidates lie about the policies. The party prioritizes centrists with their funding.
In part, yes. I am arguing that you can't ignore the fact that the democratic party itself paid for that Facebook ad.
My point is that there's no amount of ads that would make people in Europe vote against universal Healthcare. In the US it seems that people are so ignorant that ad budget determines election outcomes. People don't really want progressive policies, they are content with bread and circus.
That's an extremely flawed take. Europeans wouldn't vote against universal healthcare because Europe has experienced universal healthcare for decades. It spread throughout Europe in an extremely transformative time - while rebuilding from the destruction of WWII.
Americans are far more isolated than Europeans in many ways, and that also prevents us from truly understanding these kinds of issues. You can visit another country like we visit another state. This lets you experience so much more diversity of ideas than America gets.
Americans are fed lies by everyone around them because the lies let those in power keep power and make more money. We've been slowly drained of our ability to flourish. We spend an increasing amount of effort just surviving. We're stressed and tired of the political turmoil, which lets politicians further strip us of our power.
I won't deny that there are stupid, racist, willfully ignorant people here. I just don't blame them for all of their ignorance. In order to learn, you need to be given the resources and opportunity to do so. Those in power here have worked very hard and spent a lot of money trying to prevent them from getting those things and feeding them lies about an alternate reality that maintains the status quo or further empowers the ruling class.
I don't understand why it's a flawed take, I don't disagree with anything you have written, we pretty much are saying the same thing.
obama really broke the minds of conservatives, couldnt accept a half-black, muslim as a president.
Conservatives don't participate in democrat primaries, do they?
But he is a Christian?
If that's the case then we should just give up, because people are going to be fucking idiots like they've always been, so we'll never get anyone good in office ever.
I can understand why a German would think a far right cop was a good candidate in general, but no. She was a terrible candidate for anyone not voting republican.
Hey american socialist here.
Harris wasn't that bad. Y'all are so extremely radicalized you can't even admit a good candidate when you see one.
None of this shit would've happened that's for sure
ICE was still a fascist organization when Obama and Biden were the head of the regime.
An antiblack cop that couldn't win a primary is not a good candidate for the party whose voters include most black people and most anti cop people.
She was objectively a bad dem candidate. Like all California Dems she's more right wing than any other Dem in the country and is only running Dem to pull the party right.
But we're talking politics right?
So let's look at our political line up. John McCain, Rashida Tlaib, Mitt Romney, Obama, Trump, Bush, Harris, Biden, Bernie Sanders, Ted Cruz, Desantis, Newsom, Ilhan Omar, Eric Adams, Booker, AOC, Clinton. Jill Stein, Greg Abbott, Marianne Williamson, Matt Gaetz
Just some names of people who rotate in the news cycle or had runs or whatever. Really truly consider who Americans could vote for and who could become president.
Now imagine you're a progressive of any degree. Who has a chance to win and hits closest to your boxes? In 2020/2024 your options aren't good. It's cool to wish and pray for someone to come along and change that or be the person who would but realistically you shit in one hand and wish in the other, Harris is like top 3 options here. Sanders, Harris, Booker are who I'd gamble could make a run and maybe win against Trump. Harris being the weakest option and still not the worst.
Ever been part of a performance or sports team or anything? It's really easy to shit on the situation when you're in the bleachers.
Obama was completely unknown before he ran for president, with absolutely zero national air time or accomplishments.
The very foundation of your theory fails at the starting line. Name recognition isn't important. Americans can't name their own senators, much less random fox news featured senator number 41.
And this isn't sports. That's the problem, people treating it like sports.
Parties should be unconstitutional. Especially for president, but since we're not there yet and won't be until after the collapse, we should still not vote based on team. Vote blue no matter who got us Biden and trump. Its a terribly stupid, objectively fascist strategy that's doomed to fail if not applied to fascist voters.
Okay and like I said shit in one hand wish in the other.
These are the names currently. Keep wishing bro
They are not the names that will win, so either accept that and start working on solutions, or repeat the actions that brought you closer to fascism.
Shitting in your hands will never fill them with food.
I disagree I think plenty of those names can win. I think out of them Harris isn't this awful option a lot of morons believe she is.
Y'all are so drastic and that pearl clutching panic got us here cause everything needed to be so hyper liberal or bust.
most of them cant admit that thier sexist, so they say "i dont like her, or she doesnt have any plans"
It's no use. Americans would much rather place blame on a candidate, one that was INFINITELY better than the other, than accept responsibility as an electorate for failing.
Harris was perfectly fine. A successful prosecutor with a doctorate in law. She would have continued a progressive agenda. She would have maintained economic stability. I'm sure it wouldn't have been as progressive as many would like, but certainly better than our current state of affairs with a president who shits all over our Constitution and is tanking our economy 3 months in.
The bottom line is the American electorate failed an open book test. Too many fools who chose to become single issue voters. Too many fools who thought it would be wise to vote for a 3rd party in a presidential election, despite having literally ZERO chance of winning. Too many fools who abdicated their responsibility as citizens in a democracy because they weren't pleased with their options. This was one of, if not the easiest, election we'll ever have in our lives. And we failed. Because we aren't a very intelligent society.
She ran hard to the right, abandoning all of her previously stated progressive beliefs. She would have continued the shitty economy that Americans were upset with. She said she wouldn't do anything different than a highly unpopular president.
Of course Americans blame the candidate, as they should. Her entire job was to get elected, opposing one of the least popular presidents we've ever had, and she lost. It should have been a slam dunk for her, but she gave all of that up, for money and genocide.
I think you and I have a different definition of "hard right". If you think Harris was "hard right", what would you consider our current situation?
I think you and I have a different definition of "shitty economy". If you thought we had a "shitty economy" under Biden, what would you consider our current situation?
You can listen to dumbasses who thought Biden was some awful president, whose qualifications for believing so are their feelings, or you can do your homework and find out that he was actually a progressive and legislatively successful president who passed some really beneficial bills for the American people.
Have you spoken to an average American? They don't know jack shit about politics. They don't keep up with legislation. They don't pay attention to statistics. And you're telling me that American's failure to pay attention, like responsible citizens in a democracy, is a single candidate's fault? That because she may not have run the best campaign possible that it isn't American's fault for allowing an already failed felon rapist traitor to be our leader...again?
Our society is a reflection of our electorate. It sucks because our electorate is largely idiotic. Not because one candidate didn't run a perfect campaign against a felon rapist.
I would call our current situaion Extra Hard Right. Yeah, Trump is more right-wing than Harris, but lets not pretend that she was anything but right-wing. She campaigned on "Genocide is good, and we should keep bombing children, and I love my guns", then campaigned with the Cheneys. That seems pretty hard right to me.
I would consider it shittier than Biden's economy. Just because Trump's economy is worse, doesn't mean Biden's wasn't shitty.
I did do my homework. I saw him bomb the shit out of innocent people, including children. I saw him back a genocide. I saw him screw over the rail-workers, bail out rich corporations, back down on the minimum wage, drag his feet on the lowest of student-debt fixes, and cut the highly popular Covid Relief programs. Did he do some good things that I liked? Sure. But those were crumbs compared to all of the awful stuff that he did.
Of course Americans don't know shit about politics or statistics or legislation. That's how politics works. But Americans know that they are getting screwed, and they saw Biden in office while they were getting screwed. Does that make Trump a better candidate? No, obviously not, but Americans were mad, and saw Harris say that she didn't think she'd have changed anything that Biden had done. Not a smart move when Biden was so unpopular.
No, I'm telling you that it's the single candidate's fault that she lost the election. She could have run a campaign that addressed the voter's concerns, but instead she ran a campaign that addressed the concerns of the rich, and the concerns of the right-wing. And "not run the best campaign possible" is a far cry from what I saw. I saw her run an absolutely terrible campaign.
I do blame the people who voted for Trump. They are awful people and I consider them quite stupid. But lets not let Harris or the rest of the Democrats off the hook for their own failures.
The Democrats are still in "Blame anyone, as long as we don't have to introspect" mode right now, and it shows. Maybe next time they should try listening to the voters if they want to win the majority of them over.
She's part of an organization that regularly votes for liberal policies and against conservative policies and regularly speaks out against right-wing politics. Can you give some examples of why you believe she is right-wing?
It's hard to take you seriously when you make emotional comments like this. Pretty sure here in reality she didn't run on "genocide is good". More like "Israel is our most important ally in the Middle East, so this is complicated".
If some right-wing mega stars want to come out in opposition to Trump and what their party has become, I'm not entirely against that. Did it end up making the difference? No. So what? How is it hard right to get someone on your enemy's team to speak out against your enemy? Is everything hard right to you? Is hard right in the room with you right now?
Again, you haven't done your homework. Put down Lemmy and start looking into the economic stats. Our economy was recovering well under the Biden administration. By all metrics. Which was impressive since a world wide pandemic destroyed supply lines, among other things.
It sounds like you're just nitpicking things he didn't do for you and not really acknowledging all the things he did. Which you can, and probably will do, with every president. Like student loans. No other president has forgiven student loans. He did. For many. Despite the Supreme Court blocking him at every turn. But in your eyes he just failed at student loans because he didn't forgive as much as you wanted him to. Like you think he can just do whatever without any opposition from Congress or the SC. Spoiler alert, no president accomplishes everything you want them to. The one we have now will not accomplish ANYTHING you want him to.
Lol. What? Do you think every electorate on this planet is as ignorant as the American electorate? Of course not. That's why other first world countries have things like universal healthcare and paternal leave and mandatory paid vacation. What planet do you live on? Why are you making excuses for people failing to do their civic duty?
Welcome to every presidency, ever. So you're acknowledging that the American electorate is so ignorant and irresponsible, that if everything isn't the way they want it, and they feel like they're getting screwed in some way (which they will always feel), they'll either throw their hands up and not vote, or vote in such a way as to ensure someone LESS competent is able to step in? So you're agreeing with me that the fault lies with the American people for not informing themselves responsibly? That political candidates have to treat Americans like idiot children instead of grown ass responsible adults? Whose fault does that sound like?
Can you provide some examples, instead of just your feelings? Because I remember her eventually laying out her economic plan and how it benefitted the average person. Something Trump utterly failed to do. Keep in mind that this isn't just about one candidate sucking off every last American for their vote. There's also another candidate you have to take into account, and this one was a FELON RAPIST, so maybe Americans should take into account that they're not just voting FOR someone, but AGAINST someone.
I saw her run a campaign INFINITELY better than her opponent. You know, since it actually included policy. Whereas the other guy simply said "I have concepts of plans". The American people voted for a guy that straight up said he didn't have a plan instead of a woman that laid her plan out. And you're over here defending the American people and trying to deflect fault from them onto the ONLY candidate with a fucking plan? Please.
The only thing we agree on is that Democrats need to do a better job listening to their constituents going forward. But this last election is 100% on the American people. They failed. Because the differences in competency between the candidates (and parties) was so insane that for things to turn out the way they did is absolutely the American electorate's fault. This was the easiest decision between two options EVER. And Americans failed.
For all of the things you complained about in this post, I already literally put in examples and explanations to prove the points. If you aren't going to take this discussion seriously and read what I posted, then I'm not going to continue.
Come back when you want to have a good faith discussion.
If you honestly believe this then the next 50 years are going to be a WILD ride for you
the dnc did underestimate hispanics and black male voters, who are traditionally conservative and culturally sexist as well. of course the constant propaganda dint help harris: roegan and griftersd.