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Mark my words: they will put Kamala 2.0. or Gavin in the race for president instead of AOC or any other progressive.
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I think you and I have a different definition of "hard right". If you think Harris was "hard right", what would you consider our current situation?
I think you and I have a different definition of "shitty economy". If you thought we had a "shitty economy" under Biden, what would you consider our current situation?
You can listen to dumbasses who thought Biden was some awful president, whose qualifications for believing so are their feelings, or you can do your homework and find out that he was actually a progressive and legislatively successful president who passed some really beneficial bills for the American people.
Have you spoken to an average American? They don't know jack shit about politics. They don't keep up with legislation. They don't pay attention to statistics. And you're telling me that American's failure to pay attention, like responsible citizens in a democracy, is a single candidate's fault? That because she may not have run the best campaign possible that it isn't American's fault for allowing an already failed felon rapist traitor to be our leader...again?
Our society is a reflection of our electorate. It sucks because our electorate is largely idiotic. Not because one candidate didn't run a perfect campaign against a felon rapist.
I would call our current situaion Extra Hard Right. Yeah, Trump is more right-wing than Harris, but lets not pretend that she was anything but right-wing. She campaigned on "Genocide is good, and we should keep bombing children, and I love my guns", then campaigned with the Cheneys. That seems pretty hard right to me.
I would consider it shittier than Biden's economy. Just because Trump's economy is worse, doesn't mean Biden's wasn't shitty.
I did do my homework. I saw him bomb the shit out of innocent people, including children. I saw him back a genocide. I saw him screw over the rail-workers, bail out rich corporations, back down on the minimum wage, drag his feet on the lowest of student-debt fixes, and cut the highly popular Covid Relief programs. Did he do some good things that I liked? Sure. But those were crumbs compared to all of the awful stuff that he did.
Of course Americans don't know shit about politics or statistics or legislation. That's how politics works. But Americans know that they are getting screwed, and they saw Biden in office while they were getting screwed. Does that make Trump a better candidate? No, obviously not, but Americans were mad, and saw Harris say that she didn't think she'd have changed anything that Biden had done. Not a smart move when Biden was so unpopular.
No, I'm telling you that it's the single candidate's fault that she lost the election. She could have run a campaign that addressed the voter's concerns, but instead she ran a campaign that addressed the concerns of the rich, and the concerns of the right-wing. And "not run the best campaign possible" is a far cry from what I saw. I saw her run an absolutely terrible campaign.
I do blame the people who voted for Trump. They are awful people and I consider them quite stupid. But lets not let Harris or the rest of the Democrats off the hook for their own failures.
The Democrats are still in "Blame anyone, as long as we don't have to introspect" mode right now, and it shows. Maybe next time they should try listening to the voters if they want to win the majority of them over.
She's part of an organization that regularly votes for liberal policies and against conservative policies and regularly speaks out against right-wing politics. Can you give some examples of why you believe she is right-wing?
It's hard to take you seriously when you make emotional comments like this. Pretty sure here in reality she didn't run on "genocide is good". More like "Israel is our most important ally in the Middle East, so this is complicated".
If some right-wing mega stars want to come out in opposition to Trump and what their party has become, I'm not entirely against that. Did it end up making the difference? No. So what? How is it hard right to get someone on your enemy's team to speak out against your enemy? Is everything hard right to you? Is hard right in the room with you right now?
Again, you haven't done your homework. Put down Lemmy and start looking into the economic stats. Our economy was recovering well under the Biden administration. By all metrics. Which was impressive since a world wide pandemic destroyed supply lines, among other things.
It sounds like you're just nitpicking things he didn't do for you and not really acknowledging all the things he did. Which you can, and probably will do, with every president. Like student loans. No other president has forgiven student loans. He did. For many. Despite the Supreme Court blocking him at every turn. But in your eyes he just failed at student loans because he didn't forgive as much as you wanted him to. Like you think he can just do whatever without any opposition from Congress or the SC. Spoiler alert, no president accomplishes everything you want them to. The one we have now will not accomplish ANYTHING you want him to.
Lol. What? Do you think every electorate on this planet is as ignorant as the American electorate? Of course not. That's why other first world countries have things like universal healthcare and paternal leave and mandatory paid vacation. What planet do you live on? Why are you making excuses for people failing to do their civic duty?
Welcome to every presidency, ever. So you're acknowledging that the American electorate is so ignorant and irresponsible, that if everything isn't the way they want it, and they feel like they're getting screwed in some way (which they will always feel), they'll either throw their hands up and not vote, or vote in such a way as to ensure someone LESS competent is able to step in? So you're agreeing with me that the fault lies with the American people for not informing themselves responsibly? That political candidates have to treat Americans like idiot children instead of grown ass responsible adults? Whose fault does that sound like?
Can you provide some examples, instead of just your feelings? Because I remember her eventually laying out her economic plan and how it benefitted the average person. Something Trump utterly failed to do. Keep in mind that this isn't just about one candidate sucking off every last American for their vote. There's also another candidate you have to take into account, and this one was a FELON RAPIST, so maybe Americans should take into account that they're not just voting FOR someone, but AGAINST someone.
I saw her run a campaign INFINITELY better than her opponent. You know, since it actually included policy. Whereas the other guy simply said "I have concepts of plans". The American people voted for a guy that straight up said he didn't have a plan instead of a woman that laid her plan out. And you're over here defending the American people and trying to deflect fault from them onto the ONLY candidate with a fucking plan? Please.
The only thing we agree on is that Democrats need to do a better job listening to their constituents going forward. But this last election is 100% on the American people. They failed. Because the differences in competency between the candidates (and parties) was so insane that for things to turn out the way they did is absolutely the American electorate's fault. This was the easiest decision between two options EVER. And Americans failed.
For all of the things you complained about in this post, I already literally put in examples and explanations to prove the points. If you aren't going to take this discussion seriously and read what I posted, then I'm not going to continue.
Come back when you want to have a good faith discussion.