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As an example. I grew up in hip-hop but at a certain point I stopped listening to new people and realised recently that I’d slept on some bangers. Like Kendrick particularly, but even people like Juice WRLD and Xxxtentacion.

The same for the Kendrick and Drake (the nonce) beef which has given some rabbit holes to go down.

So I’m wondering what I can do to keep in the loop with my younger brothers and sisters?

Is it something as simple as watching trending videos on YouTube (somtheing I’ve never done) or are there people to follow etc. I don’t like Twitter though so hopefully it’s not that.

Edit: Man I got so many replies. You guys are awesome. I am going to work my way through them all today, but I’m hella tired and off to work so may take a while. I will reply to you all.

Edit part deux: God damn I think I got all the replies.

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 78 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (6 children)

You can only sort of ever keep up.

The main issue preventing you an Old, from finding more about people who are Young, is that the Young don't exactly love the old filling up their spaces, trying to remain hip.

This is exemplified by the slow death of social networks as they grow in popularity. A new social network pops up, its quickly populated by the youth. Slowly, as it becomes more popular, Olds start creeping in, until there are so many Olds that the youth want to go somewhere else because they no longer have privacy.

When Mom and Uncle Jim are in the conversation, everything is suddenly less cool.

Happened to MySpace first, and it's happening to Facebook right now. It's basically ghost towns of people who will be dead soon.


We are limited because the youth will always want their own private spaces where they can truly be themselves without their weird expectations of the older generations. If you're older with zero expecations for the youth, congratulations: you're unusual, so don't hold it against the youth that they assume you're just another boring old person who is going to judge them for something. Most adults are out here judging them, so give them a break on assumptions they might make about you.

I used to keep up with music through YouTube channels, but even the ones I used to follow are aging up and soon enough those people I was listening to are Old now too, and they're doing the same thing as me, trying to keep up with what's hip and good.

I understand the desire to do so. New music is often so good, and I really get sick of people who act like the music they grew up with is the best in history. It's not, and it never will be. Music is always growing and making music is more accessible than ever, which means its really exploding and evolving. There's never been a better time to love music.

However, as Olds, we're just going to miss a lot of what's cool with the kids simply because we're Olds. So much is just going to naturally be hidden from us.

[–] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for this throughout and measured response it really does make sense now you bring these points to my attention I was the same when I was younger.

I guess I don’t want to invade their space as much as understand what they like and what they care about, not in a creepy way, more because I think the older generation should do this.

The part where you mentioned you would be unusual to have no expectations of young people. Well I am unusual as I think the youth are alright and a part of my thinking in this post is that we should celebrate the future of the world as they’ve got longer here than me and so they should have a larger part in shaping it.

It’s sad that we have this divide now where it’s us (not literally) against them when really they can learn from our mistakes and we can learn from their new perspectives.

I imagine it goes without saying that I’m not afraid to admit that I don’t know everything and even that we can learn from younger people and I don’t really blame them for thinking all older people are against them or whatever as I am self aware that I would have this mentality towards boomers when there are some great boomers out here that would be with me at pro-Palestine marches and stuff.

Apologies for this being all over the place. I literally just rambled on, and now too lazy to go back and format it better.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's fine, no worries on your thoughts being all over, it's the internet. Who cares? You got your points across fine.

I don't think trying to know what the youth are into is creepy at all! I think the real issue comes from the youth being used to adults being shitty and judgy to them. Like I said, it's great if we're not shitty and judgy, but we have to be patient with the youth and their expectations of older people because they're absolutely colored by the fact that most older folks are weirdly judgy. So it's more that we have our work cut out for us because most older folks could give a flying fuck about being interested in the art of the youth, and the youth know that and feel it viscerally. It takes time for them to feel "safe" and open up. Like you said, how we grew up with Boomers and most of them are just dogshit and judgy people when it came to the youth. We like to think our generation is better... but it's not, sadly.

Anyway, it's not impossible to make inroads with the youth, but you have to be okay with them ribbing you and smile and laugh when they joke about how out of touch you are. They're going to assume we're just like any other jerk of an Old, so it just takes more effort on our parts to prove we're not just some judgy jerk.

I am thankful for every old person who has genuine interest in what the youth are doing and what kind of art they are creating. You're right, it IS a good thing to be interested, and it's a good thing to pursue, because it helps break down the very generational barriers we dislike so much.

[–] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Thanks again. You’re a good person SnotFlickerMan. You’ve given me plenty of food for thought and I appreciate you taking the time again.

Enjoy what’s left of the weekend and keep being a stellar bro.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I don't think MySpace died because The Olds invaded in the same way as Facebook. I think Facebook genuinely out-competed MySpace in features, especially having its own messenger. Facebook absolutely died when The Olds joined, what's remarkable to me is that Facebook...still exists?

[–] protist@mander.xyz 12 points 6 months ago

And Facebook succumbed to the olds many years ago. I remember in the mid then late 00s when it expanded from just college students to include high school students, and then suddenly my Aunt Joyce was on it too. Seriously, we're talking 15 years ago now

[–] 200ok@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

Reddit had too many Youths so all us Olds came to Lemmy 💪

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[–] rudyharrelson@kbin.social 48 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I enjoy listening to college radio stations. They're usually varied in music genres and tend to reflect what college students want to put on the airwaves.

I'm a fan of 88.3FM Central Carolina Community College Radio.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 6 months ago

Underrated suggestion.

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[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 36 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Start dating a 19 year old.

[–] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 33 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Bro I ain’t drake.

I am aware that at this age gap is have nothing in common with a 19 year old other than sex.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

19 is about 9 years too old for Drake.

By listening to their interests you’d keep your fingers on the youth’s pulse.

[–] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 6 months ago (3 children)

True.

I also realise I have no idea why Drake is rated so highly, dudes goofy as fuck and his music is mid at best.

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[–] Toneswirly@lemmy.world 31 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Never take a break from culture. As soon as you take a year off you will be irrelevant. If that sound exhausting (it is) then congratulations; you have discovered why older people are never on top of pop culture.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 15 points 6 months ago

"You will be irrelevant" to who? People whose identities are so wrapped up in popular culture they can't conceive of someone liking something from 30, 50, 80 years ago? Lmao

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[–] MurrayL@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Start paying attention to the top new & trending Spotify playlists in genres you're interested in.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago (10 children)

Aging? At 30? Kid, are you mocking us?

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[–] Onii-Chan@kbin.social 15 points 6 months ago (6 children)

Early 30's here. I was at a small gathering my best mate put together about a year ago, and his 19 year old nephew was there. He expressed his interest in anime and we got chatting. While showing me some newer anime-related TikTok stuff (I have no social media myself and haven't really kept up with modern anime), I heard some fucking awesome 'aggressive trap' stuff and asked him who the artist was. It was Lil' Darkie and I was immediately hooked. I went down a rabbit hole searching his best stuff as well as other similar artists, and now have a huge playlist of great music I'd have never discovered on my own.

imo music discovery is a pretty organic process for most people. It's cultural and spreads via word of mouth. Chatting with younger people may be the best way to go, but understand that the youth rightfully don't want us in their spaces lmao

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

That's one of the reasons I spend a lot of time in forums like this. To keep up with the latest stuff.

But then the latest stuff started being hella weird and I still couldn't follow it even knowing the origins and context of popular trends and now I'm grumpy about kids on my lawn. 😬

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[–] eightforty@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (8 children)
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[–] nifty@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Bandcamp is nice, they have a curated genre section that updates frequently. College radio stations as someone mentioned, then just Shazam or whatever or look at their playlist online. I hate Spotify because it just gives you pop shit and doesn’t do anything niche or indie. There’s also SoundCloud, they make curated playlists of new stuff frequently. Sound cloud also has labels on there which curate some of their newest bands. It’s super easy to find niche indie labels I think. Lastly, look at lineups of local music spots. I used to listen to Deezer for finding non-US artists, but haven’t used it in a while since Bandcamp is kinda great about covering everywhere.

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[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Get a skateboard and go to your local skate park. Walk up to some kids and say how do you do fellow kids? What are we listening to today?

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[–] doleo@lemmy.one 12 points 6 months ago (5 children)

just let the algorithm feed you the cultural gruel

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[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (4 children)

What could be more current than the beatles?

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[–] Hikermick@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

College/independent radio

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

As someone else said, bandcamp is pretty good. Their articles are, so far as I can tell, written by actual people and thus have more soul to them. I'm sure some asshole is plotting to replace them with LLM, but until then!

Also, go to shows. Go see live music. Usually folks have opening acts. Sometimes you can even make friends.

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[–] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I just take older bands/artists that I like, and look up "artists similar to...." On Google, and start from there. Easy enough.

[–] Screemu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

music-map.com works great too.

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[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

My dude, I'm the same as you and I just keep radioing shit on Spotify and shazaming shit I hear and doing the same for TV shows and movies and tapping into the Spotify premade playlists from time to time. Works aight enough.

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[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I like to listen to a new album every Friday. You're streaming platform will recommend "New Albums for you" and just listen to one. Sometimes it's great,sometimes it isn't, but it is new and fun to explore.

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[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Just my opinion, but I feel like you're far to concerned with being "current". No offence.

I'm 48 and when I was younger I swore up and down that "I wasn't going to be like my parents, stuck in my ways musically, blah blah blah." But you know what, it doesn't actually matter. Literally at all. It's vapid pop culture stuff that in adult world, no one actually cares about. Your friends aren't going to be your friends simply because you like the same music as them. You're social circle isn't going to rise and fall based on how "current" you are because outside of highschool, literally no one gives a damn.

Like what you like. Listen to what you want. and don't worry about staying "hip" because the entire concept is subjective and meaningless in the actual day-to-day world. No one is going to shun you for not knowing what's happening between Kendrick whats-his-face and The dude from Degrassi. And if they do, they're not really the kind of vapid social media obsessed people you should be associating with at your age anyway.

Again...just my opinion.

[–] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think you might have my motivations a little confused.

I don’t want to be current myself. I want to keep up with current art, as it’s fascinating. Should I have not gotten in Beethoven and Chopin because those were before my time?

I don’t listen to vapid pop, pop music and what’s popular in different genres are two different things. I know I’m flogging this horse in a few comments, but Kendrick is certified lyrical genius and I never would have found him hadn’t I put the work in.

It’s not to make friends, hell I’ve got too many friends and I don’t need anymore. I don’t even share the new stuff with them as they don’t care, which is cool.

I do like what I like , hence I want to find more of what I might like you know.

I know you said it’s just your opinion, but I hope this gives more perspective on my intentions here, this is for me and me alone.

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[–] Chef_Boyardee@lemm.ee 8 points 6 months ago (3 children)

44 year old, lifelong metalhead here. I refuse to listen to a bands current album if it isn't my favorite of theirs. Too many bands phone it in after only a few years. So, I definitely need to find the latest music available. Metal Injection has a ballot every year of about 200 albums. Of course it isn't a definitive list, but it's enough for me to keep up with everything.

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[–] guyrocket@kbin.social 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I would start reading Rolling Stone and similar stuff. The radio should also help.

Or are you looking specifically for only hip-hop?

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[–] walter_wiggles@lemmy.nz 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think the difference is that as a kid music is forced on you from all kinds of sources: parents, friends, radio, etc. So you don't realize how much time you actually spent just listening to new music.

As an Old, you probably don't have nearly as much random exposure, i.e. you control when you listen to music now. Which means the answer to your question is that you have to consciously set aside time simply to listen to music. It may feel like a "waste of time" for each track you think is shit, but that's just part of the process.

Good luck, and thanks for coming to my Ted talk.

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[–] 1984@lemmy.today 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Late thirties is aging? That's like peak life. You have money and family (at least a chance of that) and purpose in your life. You have confidence and you know who you are.

You are still a bit dumb, but less dumb than twenty somethings. I liked my late thirties.

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[–] distantsounds@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Sign up for email lists to smaller venues (<1000 capacity) and check out the bands getting booked. Also, sign up for record label mailings, indie labels tend to have bands with similar vibes. Spotify and algorithm recs are not the way to go

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[–] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Find a scene you like and subscribe to the artists and their labels. As for trends and gossip, it's cooler to remain oblivious to that brain poison.

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[–] Blackout@kbin.run 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

https://everynoise.com/engenremap.html

I'm in my mid-40s and I love searching for new (and old) music. It makes me happy. Maybe I start with an artists I like and just go thru the rest of the label. You just have to break the habit of listening to the same thing and challenge yourself.

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[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I don't know how to help you, but I'll tell you that I have the opposite perspective. The two artists I'd most like to avoid are the ones you mentioned, so if there was a way I could eliminate suggestions from anyone who was like "fuck yeah Kendrick and Drake" I would absolutely do that.

Taste over time is totally divergent and you've probably got your work cut out for you to find your exact niche :).

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[–] FeelThePower@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, just follow some Instagram meme pages or browse SoundCloud's rap playlists. As a young person™️, this is how I've always found stuff, including xxxtentacion and lil peep when I was younger and they were both still around. If you're worried about "invading" our spaces like the other comment says, I think that sentiment is changing. I've befriended some older peeps online just for having anime pfps and stuff lmao.

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[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Dude. Dude. You're still a kid ;)

Age jokes from an old fart aside, it's about your willingness to go looking.

It does mean you'll end up using some otherwise shitty services unless you are active in a local music related scene (like clubbing). But YouTube, Pandora, spotify, and most of the other music streaming services have some degree of recommendations. They aren't all that great usually, but in the absence of being immersed with real life music explorers, it's the best option.

You can check out the Billboard top 200 and go the route of hoping your preferred music genres chart in the first place, but also being fairly reliable that other fans have vetted tracks for it to get there.

And radio still exists. You can pick a station that's genre specific or a top 40 station and find stuff that's already a little popular that way. It isn't as reliable as it used to be, but you can find newer raising acts that way.

There's forums. I haunt the typical lemmy based music C/s, plus the ones for my favorite genres, which keeps me fairly up to date on new releases as well as some new acts.

And, always participate in your local scene when possible. It's harder with hip-hop since finding local acts outside of cities is damn near impossible, but if you're into other stuff too, it can be a great way to catch acts before they get going, if your local scene is active enough. I'm fairly lucky in that bluegrass is one of the genres I'm into, and I'm not too far away from one of the better known cities for country and bluegrass music. So it's easy to find new bands and solo acts performing at a bar or local festival that end up getting popular eventually. That's an example of what i mean, making use of what's already there locally.

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