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[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 53 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Confidence here probably isn't a great thing

[–] Pronell@lemmy.world 38 points 6 months ago

As long as it isn't tied to complacency, it's fine.

[–] meep_launcher@lemm.ee 12 points 6 months ago

Yup. I was pretty darn confident on November 7th 2016 too.

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 47 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Probably because nationally the Democrats have been beating polls by 9+ points since Roe V. Wade was overturned.

[–] Ostrakon@lemmy.world 28 points 6 months ago

Nationally doesn't mean shit if they can't get 270 electoral votes.

[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 45 points 6 months ago (5 children)

If we can just get through this election then we can start worrying about the next election.

[–] mipadaitu@lemmy.world 45 points 6 months ago (19 children)

If Biden wins, we'll never have to worry about either trump or Biden running again.

[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 74 points 6 months ago

And if Trump wins, we'll never have to worry about anyone ever running again.
But that'll be the least of our problems

[–] aberrate_junior_beatnik@midwest.social 25 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Are you sure we won't have to worry about Trump running again? Because I am absolutely not.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago (2 children)

If we're lucky, heart disease will take care of the issue by then.

[–] bquintb@midwest.social 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Also drywall can only sustain so much ketchup

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[–] doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I think the implication is he'll be in prison. Setting aside whether that's a safe bet or not, I can totally see an 80-something trump making campaign ads from a prison cell. He won't really have anything better to do at that point.

Edit: typo

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[–] somas@kbin.social 6 points 6 months ago (3 children)

@mipadaitu
Trump will never stop running again. Whether he wins or not

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[–] Ononotagain@kbin.social 5 points 6 months ago

Trump running for POTUS 2028....

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[–] Xanis@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

The next election being local and State, not just President. I want us to carry the momentum and really start upping the pressure and pushing the candidates we need. Together.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Does anybody know which election wasn't "the most important election in history"?

[–] CptEnder@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Obama 2012. Sure Romney would've sucked ass but he probably would've just fumbled the whole thing comically instead of actively undoing democracy.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Nah, that one also was the most important one:

Most every campaign cycle, it seems, presidential candidates and political pundits claim this election is the most important one ever. It’s become something of a cliché in American politics. This time, however, they just might be correct. Rarely before in modern times has the divide between the two parties been as stark.

https://www.politico.com/story/2012/03/the-most-important-presidential-election-ever-074188

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I mean, this is the first where a genuine threat of fascism was on the table. I don’t see things getting pulled back any time soon. I think the orange criminal made too many bad behaviors ok and there’s no going back. We’re gonna crumble, the only question is how soon.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you that things are in a dire state, and this might genuinely be the most important election in history. But I don't see it ever getting better - as it stands right now, the Republican party will only continue getting crazier and more extreme, until there are no more elections. The system is fundamentally broken, and there needs to be some fundamental fix to off this wild ride.

Ranked Choice Voting with more political parties could be one such fix. It would allow for better representation on both sides (actual leftists on the left, and people on the right who aren't quite as despicable as is currently the case).

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

But I don’t see it ever getting better - as it stands right now, the Republican party will only continue getting crazier and more extreme, until there are no more elections.

Them continually getting stomped in elections until they don't hold any meaningful power anymore would make them eventually have to moderate. I don't know that that's what will happen, as we seem to be stuck in the American cycle of dismay with the ruling party turning into support for the out-of-power party no matter how terrible the out-of-power party is.

But what I think it would look like is like what happened to Democrats trying to grab the Presidency during the Reagan era. They got stomped enough times in a row nationally that they basically had to change their party platform to appeal to Reagan voters.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

But what's the likelihood of that happening? The Republican voter base lives in an alternative world, with alternative news and alternative media - and they are working hard on perpetuating that through indoctrination, both in the education system and through religion.

There have been so many points over the last couple of years where no rational person could keep supporting them, yet their base has grown or stayed the same. Their last president literally attempted a coup, yet there's a good chance he'll be re-elected. And even if he's not, and he dies in the next couple of years - his fascist movement will not end with him.

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[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

That’s what they said last time.

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[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 32 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Well, he's won more elections than I have, but IDK

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 47 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm feeling better than I was at the start of the year, but it's certainly still no sure thing. A little confidence is a good thing, as long as it doesn't rot into complacency.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I have a feeling that since he's now on the campaign trail, he's rubbing elbows with more voters, doing the kissing babies and shaking hands kind of stuff. Getting out there more is helping him feel more in touch with more of the American people, instead of being more isolated and busy with presidential work.

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

All this while Trump is stuck in criminal court for the forseeable future.

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This was part of the Biden team's strategy. They literally planned around Trump being stuck in federal court for April and May. That's part of the reason why Biden is campaigning now.

It's a stark contrast between an indicted criminal and a sitting president.

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 13 points 6 months ago

Trump caused these court delays all on his own.

If you are saying that Biden's team expected & planned for that, you're likely right.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago (7 children)

Hey, don't cut yourself short.

Biden's first presidential primary was 1988, it took 32 years before he was able to win one.

Just never give up and have faith society will keep getting shittier till your flaws are no longer deal breakers

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[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Ah yes, there's the Democratic party's bullshit hubris i've come to know and loath.

Hillary lost Michigan, a key states due to our absolutely bullshit electoral college, by 10k votes while there were 100k votes that voted uncommitted in the recent primary.

Awfully stupid in my opinion to think you have things in the bag when you damn well know your voters aren't cultural deologues like Republicans.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Seeing murmurs of bird flu now....just imagine an outbreak of something like bird flu under the "leadership" of dimbulb donnie, JFC.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Considering the kill rate of it, it'll probably wipe out most of the magats.

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