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Imagine Israel, of all countries, crying to the UN, of all organizations, about a purported "flagrant violation of narional sovereignty, international law and Security Council resolutions."
I laughed out loud when I read that. As if that isn't exactly what Israel does virtually on a daily basis, and has done for decades now, and while thumbing their nose at the UN the entire time.
The best part is the UN charter clearly states that when a country is attacked, it has aright to self defense. Let's watch Israel talk their way around that as they vindicate Iran and incriminate themselves.
Are you seriously pretending that Israel attacked Iran first?
They literally did.
Why are you ignoring previous Iranian attacks on Israel?
Do Israel’s “previous” attacks on Palestine justify the Palestinians attacking Israel in the present or future, more or less out of nowhere, if they feel like it?
Can you explain to me how a pogrom can ever be justified? Because that was what Palestinian terrorists did on October 7, under the applause of a worrying number of people. It was the kind of pogrom Jews have been experiencing for millennia.
A better example of a pogrom might be the killing of over 30,000 civilian Palestinians and simultaneously starving them to death with blockade following 75 years of occupation and a century of colonialism. Proportionality matters and it doesn't favor your argument
Yeah. For as inhuman as it was, "pogrom" doesn't at all fit with the terrorist attack in October, but it fits perfectly to what Israel is currently doing in Gaza.
At least update those false talking points you are repeating to the current year.
You’re grasping at straws to try to invalidate me instead of saying anything that would back up your point making your argument weaker. There was no repetition from me so if you’ve heard this before it would seem you’ve had this discussion before and may benefit from listening. Perhaps you shouldn’t respond if you have nothing to say
Sure. It's now 33,000+ Palestinians, 2/3ds of them of them civilians, including 13,000 children. It's as if it was a music festival attended only by children, and then 10 times over, all dead now, and still the number is climbing as the famine becomes ever more a reality day by day.
Thank you. And those are only the confirmed dead. There are thousands more missing and presumably dead under the rubble.
Or crippled for life, or orphaned, or both, or physically okay but with their home and the whole town they live in and many of their friends blown to scattered, dusty rubble.
Numbers according to Hamas. Read this:
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/how-gaza-health-ministry-fakes-casualty-numbers
I'm not denying that lots of civilians are dying in Gaza, that many are buried under rubble and starving - but please, don't use numbers that are obviously false in order to create emotional outrage.
One should also keep in mind that Hamas knew Israel would strike back with full force in response to the massacres and rapes they committed. And yet they didn't build a single bomb shelter for civilians. There aren't even air raid sirens in Gaza. This is the only war in human history where one side is fighting a nation with overwhelming air power and yet does absolutely nothing - hell, usually the opposite - to protect their civilians. They are also, right in the open, stealing aid and firing at desperate civilians, but I guess you choose to ignore this as well.
Your source's first chart doesn't match the actual OCHA numbers -- look at October 31 for example; their dot is well above 8,000 while the OCHA chart shows 8,005.
I didn't dig too much into the other statistical arguments, because I didn't see a link to the actual raw data in either place. Do you have links to the actual data? Usually my reaction to claims from a source I've never heard of is to test some of the things they're saying against things I can verify, and tabletmag.com failed for the one thing I tested it on that way.
I also found this article, which never mind what it says about the Iran deal, includes this fascinating little statement:
They lied about an “insurrection” on Jan. 6, 2021, to justify designating one half of the country as domestic terrorists, in order to put their political opponents in jail.
I don't at all think attacks on innocent Israelis are justified, no. I think the perpetrators of October 7th should get what's coming to them and are most likely destined for hell.
I'm pointing out that your logic would justify sudden attacks on Israel or the US by the Palestinians -- say, on October 6th if they had bombed the embassy and killed some generals and some random civilians -- because of "previous."
One need not pretend something that is already factually accurate. This was a retaliation and direct response for Israel bombing Iran's consulate in Syria on April 1. This is why Iran targeted and struck the Negev air force base ( which contains US F-35s used to bomb Gaza ) as that is the base from which that attack originated. This is also why Iran says it now considers the matter "concluded" and warned the US and Israel against further reprisals. Those are facts and not "pretending" so if you are going to "pretend" this isn't true and try to distort the matter I'm not interested.
Yeah it's nottheonion material.
It was always thus, in this as in many other contexts. If phase 1 is "You can't stop me, rules mean nothing, I will do as I please," it's a good bet that by phase 3 we'll arrive at "OMG what is happening now is against the rules, won't someone step in and make sure I come to no harm, we need justice."
Israel is like the short guy in your group of friends always ready to brawl...
But needs everyone's help to back him up.
Because this short guy was beaten up 100 times in the past until they decided to strike back and win - and they are also doing everyone's homework.
With a side hustle of trying to "not just win this fight, but also all future fights" (as put by Ender).
If Israel is trying to ensure its safety and survival while surrounded by enemies, its current course of action is guaranteed to make that impossible for the forseeable future. You couldn't ask for a more perfect recipe for continued terrorism against Israel if you specifically tried to create one.
The irony is that the framework of international law that was created after World War 2, specifically to deal with crimes against the Jews, showed the right way to deal with monstrous acts 10 times worse than October 7th, without creating an endless cycle of violence and humiliation and retribution like the one that led led to the rise of the terrorist state which had tried to exterminate them. Modern Israel has taken that priceless and painful lesson, and left it trampled and forgotten in the mud while they embark on their latest bloodthirsty adventure.
The problem with "modern Israel" is that... it isn't modern.
Its conception lies in the late 19th century, before even WW1, way before WW2, the Holocaust, or any of the laws and organizations (UN) set to deal with the aftermath.
Zionists hijacked the prosecution in Europe, hoping to populate their promised land with those fleeing from the horrors... but even after WW2, it turned out that a large number of Jews would rather GTFO to America, be it North or South... so the "founding fathers" of Israel intentionally antagonized Arab countries, just to make Jews flee those countries and have a large enough headcount to populate the land of Israel. Like, WTF! Who does that to their own people?... oh right, Palestinian Arabs got into the same game. ☹️
Of course the leaders of Israel have learned nothing, they want their people to stay terrorized, whatever it takes! They still think that's the way to keep them there, to get more international support, to prove how endangered they are. While the other side is playing the "no, me more" card. It's sickening.
This is where analogies break down... that same "short guy" locked most of his next door neighbours in their basement.
And he's currently trying to distract everyone's attention from mounting evidence that he's a serial killer.
An interesting immediate response. That would accomplish exactly nothing.
Hopefully this means they're planning to take their L and whine a lot and not start a whole-region war
Or it’s a pretext to do exactly that
Or that yes
Wait according to Israeli accusations, how did Iran break international law? By using missles despite UN resolution 2231?
Last I checked (and IANAL) attacking military targets in reponse to military aggression is not in violation of international law.