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Israel requests to convene the Security Council, in the face of "a flagrant violation" of "sovereignty, of international law" "a concrete threat to the peace and security of the entire region." (mbin.grits.dev)

submitted 7 months ago by mozz@mbin.grits.dev to c/news@beehaw.org

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[–] SteveKLord@slrpnk.net 18 points 7 months ago (2 children)

A better example of a pogrom might be the killing of over 30,000 civilian Palestinians and simultaneously starving them to death with blockade following 75 years of occupation and a century of colonialism. Proportionality matters and it doesn't favor your argument

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 10 points 7 months ago

Yeah. For as inhuman as it was, "pogrom" doesn't at all fit with the terrorist attack in October, but it fits perfectly to what Israel is currently doing in Gaza.

[–] DdCno1@beehaw.org 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

At least update those false talking points you are repeating to the current year.

[–] SteveKLord@slrpnk.net 8 points 7 months ago

You’re grasping at straws to try to invalidate me instead of saying anything that would back up your point making your argument weaker. There was no repetition from me so if you’ve heard this before it would seem you’ve had this discussion before and may benefit from listening. Perhaps you shouldn’t respond if you have nothing to say

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Sure. It's now 33,000+ Palestinians, 2/3ds of them of them civilians, including 13,000 children. It's as if it was a music festival attended only by children, and then 10 times over, all dead now, and still the number is climbing as the famine becomes ever more a reality day by day.

[–] SteveKLord@slrpnk.net 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Thank you. And those are only the confirmed dead. There are thousands more missing and presumably dead under the rubble.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 6 points 7 months ago

Or crippled for life, or orphaned, or both, or physically okay but with their home and the whole town they live in and many of their friends blown to scattered, dusty rubble.

[–] DdCno1@beehaw.org 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Numbers according to Hamas. Read this:

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/how-gaza-health-ministry-fakes-casualty-numbers

I'm not denying that lots of civilians are dying in Gaza, that many are buried under rubble and starving - but please, don't use numbers that are obviously false in order to create emotional outrage.

One should also keep in mind that Hamas knew Israel would strike back with full force in response to the massacres and rapes they committed. And yet they didn't build a single bomb shelter for civilians. There aren't even air raid sirens in Gaza. This is the only war in human history where one side is fighting a nation with overwhelming air power and yet does absolutely nothing - hell, usually the opposite - to protect their civilians. They are also, right in the open, stealing aid and firing at desperate civilians, but I guess you choose to ignore this as well.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Your source's first chart doesn't match the actual OCHA numbers -- look at October 31 for example; their dot is well above 8,000 while the OCHA chart shows 8,005.

I didn't dig too much into the other statistical arguments, because I didn't see a link to the actual raw data in either place. Do you have links to the actual data? Usually my reaction to claims from a source I've never heard of is to test some of the things they're saying against things I can verify, and tabletmag.com failed for the one thing I tested it on that way.

I also found this article, which never mind what it says about the Iran deal, includes this fascinating little statement:

They lied about an “insurrection” on Jan. 6, 2021, to justify designating one half of the country as domestic terrorists, in order to put their political opponents in jail.