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The best part is the UN charter clearly states that when a country is attacked, it has aright to self defense. Let's watch Israel talk their way around that as they vindicate Iran and incriminate themselves.
Are you seriously pretending that Israel attacked Iran first?
They literally did.
Why are you ignoring previous Iranian attacks on Israel?
Do Israel’s “previous” attacks on Palestine justify the Palestinians attacking Israel in the present or future, more or less out of nowhere, if they feel like it?
Can you explain to me how a pogrom can ever be justified? Because that was what Palestinian terrorists did on October 7, under the applause of a worrying number of people. It was the kind of pogrom Jews have been experiencing for millennia.
A better example of a pogrom might be the killing of over 30,000 civilian Palestinians and simultaneously starving them to death with blockade following 75 years of occupation and a century of colonialism. Proportionality matters and it doesn't favor your argument
Yeah. For as inhuman as it was, "pogrom" doesn't at all fit with the terrorist attack in October, but it fits perfectly to what Israel is currently doing in Gaza.
At least update those false talking points you are repeating to the current year.
Sure. It's now 33,000+ Palestinians, 2/3ds of them of them civilians, including 13,000 children. It's as if it was a music festival attended only by children, and then 10 times over, all dead now, and still the number is climbing as the famine becomes ever more a reality day by day.
Thank you. And those are only the confirmed dead. There are thousands more missing and presumably dead under the rubble.
Or crippled for life, or orphaned, or both, or physically okay but with their home and the whole town they live in and many of their friends blown to scattered, dusty rubble.
Numbers according to Hamas. Read this:
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/how-gaza-health-ministry-fakes-casualty-numbers
I'm not denying that lots of civilians are dying in Gaza, that many are buried under rubble and starving - but please, don't use numbers that are obviously false in order to create emotional outrage.
One should also keep in mind that Hamas knew Israel would strike back with full force in response to the massacres and rapes they committed. And yet they didn't build a single bomb shelter for civilians. There aren't even air raid sirens in Gaza. This is the only war in human history where one side is fighting a nation with overwhelming air power and yet does absolutely nothing - hell, usually the opposite - to protect their civilians. They are also, right in the open, stealing aid and firing at desperate civilians, but I guess you choose to ignore this as well.
Your source's first chart doesn't match the actual OCHA numbers -- look at October 31 for example; their dot is well above 8,000 while the OCHA chart shows 8,005.
I didn't dig too much into the other statistical arguments, because I didn't see a link to the actual raw data in either place. Do you have links to the actual data? Usually my reaction to claims from a source I've never heard of is to test some of the things they're saying against things I can verify, and tabletmag.com failed for the one thing I tested it on that way.
I also found this article, which never mind what it says about the Iran deal, includes this fascinating little statement:
You’re grasping at straws to try to invalidate me instead of saying anything that would back up your point making your argument weaker. There was no repetition from me so if you’ve heard this before it would seem you’ve had this discussion before and may benefit from listening. Perhaps you shouldn’t respond if you have nothing to say
I don't at all think attacks on innocent Israelis are justified, no. I think the perpetrators of October 7th should get what's coming to them and are most likely destined for hell.
I'm pointing out that your logic would justify sudden attacks on Israel or the US by the Palestinians -- say, on October 6th if they had bombed the embassy and killed some generals and some random civilians -- because of "previous."
One need not pretend something that is already factually accurate. This was a retaliation and direct response for Israel bombing Iran's consulate in Syria on April 1. This is why Iran targeted and struck the Negev air force base ( which contains US F-35s used to bomb Gaza ) as that is the base from which that attack originated. This is also why Iran says it now considers the matter "concluded" and warned the US and Israel against further reprisals. Those are facts and not "pretending" so if you are going to "pretend" this isn't true and try to distort the matter I'm not interested.