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Not really federated so far, right? They talk a lot about being open, but (when) will they be really? Can I sign up for an account that intereacts with Bluesky through any other provider?
I mean, I signed up, it seems interesting enough. If nothing else it has some recognizable accounts to follow, better network effect than Mastodon.
I don't follow it very closely, but as far as I know, they are the only one implementing the open protocol they designed (which doesn't interoperate with ActivityPub). However, there seems to be some efforts for creating a bridge: https://www.docs.bsky.app/blog/feature-bridgyfed
As you said, there are some recognizable faces and that may impact the adoption. But not being compatible with ActivityPub is a real bummer.
I was going to say, if it federates at all then a bridge should be possible
According to a random employee on hacker news, later this month they will have open federation https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39274882
As always, caveat lector.
Sounds like they are saying (later this month) you can create your own Bluesky instance…but will they ever federate outside that?
There is some federation, however most instances that I've seen are people's personal instances because in the past you've still needed a bluesky invite to federate with the main instance. Now that you don't need an invite anymore I'm sure that'll change and you'll see more public 3rd party instances popping up.
And once he has the numbers he will just sell it again
Probably true, though the protocol is open source and can federate, so potentially has a lower blast radius next time as people can just bail to other ATProto servers.
Are there any other ATProto servers? Can you bail to those today?
Not yet, at least not officially. I believe some people have tried out the open source code, but I'm not aware of anything active right now.
They say at the end of the month, but we all know how trustworthy those promises are.
Fuck billionaires. Mastodon never had limited sign-ups because you're not a product on it.
FOSS life!
Uhhhh many servers have had and do have limited sign-ups
Arguably the best ones. Because you know their moderation is on lock.
Requires a phone number to sign up. No thanks.
Just curious, why is that a deal breaker? It seems like a mild form of anti spam protection, potential 2fa backup, and a way to uniquely identify users.
It requires personally identifying information to login. That's a hard pass for menu people.
What about non-menu people
They're just going to order whatever they like anyways.
Hopefully they won't have to provide a phone number to the restaurant
It's only used as a one time account verification thing, not a 2fa second factor. Still not great but at least not a security flaw.
What I've long been curious about is whether the service provider can derive a subscriber identity using the number. I mean of course the mobile network operator knows I'm me, but does Bluesky? Or is it merely a valid mobile number to them?
Unless the network operator or the ISP sells/gives your identifying data to Bluesky, that can't happen. It should be super illegal ofc, but in the US anything can happen...
I'll skip. Just like how I skipped AOL, MySpace, LiveJournal, 4Chan, Friendster, Hi5, Orkut, Bebo, Tumblr, Facebook, Pinterest, Blogger, Google+, LinkedIn, Snapchat, Twitter, Instagram, Quora, Twitch, YouTube, Vine, Netflix, OkCupid, Tinder, Grindr, Bumble, Discord, TikTok… oh all of the Apple ecosystem, and many other I missed by being oblivious or simply never heard of…
I liked the Slashdot, Digg, Reddit and now the Lemmy format/style. Will continue to move on to whatever I find stupid simple and publicly accessible I guess. I am naturally lazy, advertisement averse and hate having to provide personal info just to use something non-governmental or non-essential.
Now, with the increasing prevalence of LLM based bots, I will probably ineluctably reduce my time spent posting anything (I certainly hope it doesn't get that bad, only time will tell) on any kind of “social media” and focus on current and new family, friends, coworkers, colleagues and acquaintances.
Cool story bro.
I feel like the hype already died down quite some time ago. I know a few people who made an account, but this is the first time I heard the site mentioned this year. Same with Threads.
Yeah, even before this people were having a hard time to give away their unused invite codes.
Why the fuck do they require my phone number to register? No thanks.
To make sure you are real.
Sure, that’s the reason. I believe that.
There are better ways to confirm someone is a human. If they would not just want to gather personal user data instead, which apparently is the case.
Like which? Overall requesting a phone number has quickly become the most reliable and simplest way to ensure someone is human. Not foolproof, but foolproof enough. Not ultra-convenient, but convenient enough. It just works, there's a reason so many do it that way. 🤷
I don't use any service that requires a phone number, which even does that anymore? I guess Facebook, Instagram, Twitter? That's surely just to track you. It is very easy to spoof a mobile number, the regular old confirm security code per email works just as well. Or just do email register + 2fa with an authenticator app or passkey.
The latter doesn't try to establish you're an actual person though. This is something often also done by pro video games, to make bans hit more because they bam the phone number.
And spoofing won't work as you need to be able to receive texts on that number.
That's kinda the point, in virtually all countries phone number is way more directly tied to your IRL identity as a person than an email address would be. Hence its a pretty reasonable compromise to filter out bot operators as to them, using so many phone numbers is doable but a hassle, and they just move on.
Ages ago I got a spam Gmail account with a google voice number I also use for this type spam bs!
Those aren't available to register anymore though, are they?
That's the MSN butterfly...
#🧐
It would be better for them to use Activity hub or at least hook into it. Leverage Mastodon/other services.
Oh this remembered me of that I do have an account since last year and just used it to argue with some fan boys about if Bluesky is full FOSS or not (it’s not)
Nice. Maybe finally a useable twitter alternative.
Funny enough co-founded by Jack Dorsey
I guess I can delete the invite I never used.
joined awhile ago, I found the lack of hashtags frustrating - it limited discoverability, unlike on Mastodon where I just follow dozens of hashtags
Wow I assumed that anyone could sign up from the beginning, but anything like Twitter couldn't interest me less so I never looked into it
Quick, everyone go to the new hype Nazi bar! (Well, not so hype anymore)