Didn't we try the whole Dems helping Republicans thing before? And didn't that get us into this whole-ass mess to begin with, Hillary?
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I'm sure Biden won't ignore WI, MI, PA this time around like Hillary did.
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Haley isn't going to win but voting for her in the primaries will help fracture the republican party further.
If she wins the primaries, there's no way Trump won't run as an independent.
And that will split GOP votes.
Not unless she buys him off with promises of pardons and funding for his lawsuits. They could very well strike a deal where she names him as her VP and promises him oversight of the Department of Justice.
Do you think she likes him enough to do that?
You don’t have to like someone to strike a deal to gain the presidency.
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Or it won't. It will look like they are more popular and bolster the outlook for the party.
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Why the fuck are liberals still doing this shit? Was getting trump elected not enough of a sign that it's stupid and doesn't work??
It's like they forgot Hillary Clinton literally propped up Trump because she thought he'd never win.
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Stop playing fucking metagames and learn how to govern.
Braindead strategy. How about galvanizing voters with popular leadership decisions which have a positive effect on people’s lives?! Did you think to try that you dumb fucks?
How to lose an election and radicalize voters: a memoir of America by the DNC
Chapter 1: How to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory - the 2016 Elections
The Democratic National Committee is controlled opposition. Obama was a fantastic president by Republican standards, Hillary, while more qualified than any candidate has ever been, has the charisma of a dumpster cheeseburger (iT wUz HEr TurN), Joe is a Nixon-era neocon goofus. They don't want to win, but if they happen to accidently win, they make sure it's someone safe and slightly right-of-center.
The last Democrat to take office was Jimmy Carter. After Reagan successfully convinced the electorate that the concept of governing is prima facie a bad idea, Dems seized the opportunity to engage in a hard-right shift and position themselves as "fiscally common-sense but socially liberal" and weaponize intersectionality into identity politics so that we'd all think it was a great victory if our tax money was being redistributed to big banks by a black man, illegal drone assassinations were being ordered by a woman and labor laws were being undermined by a gay man.
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Isn't this how we got trump in the first place?
Yes. Hilary thought he was easy work. Blew up in her face.
Yep.
That would be the most Dem thing Dems have ever done. Play games and get Haley elected when Biden would have just cruised over trump.
I don't suspect Biden will just cruise over Trump. Look at the polls, Trump leads in swing states. I hope Biden can win, but it won't be easy.
Don't mention polling. Centrists hate it because it indicates that their constant shift rightward has become unpopular.
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Haley isn’t getting elected. She has virtually no path towards the GOP nomination. If she did, MAGATs aren’t going to vote for her unless he was on the ballot, and then if she did put him on the ballot, she’ll lose the moderate votes.
Trump has a chance to cause chaos by losing another general election. He could also do even more damage by winning another general election. Haley, if she somehow won the primary and general, would be so much less destructive.
So yeah, voting for Haley in the primary is the fucking move and it’s why I didn’t vote for Biden in the SC primary.
Nikki Haley's Sudden Wealth Rooted in Weapons Industry, Pro-War Advocacy Network.
The former U.N. ambassador went from virtually no savings in 2017 to a small fortune in part from defense contracting and war advocacy ties.
Look, no Democrat is saying she'd be great or even close to being better than Biden.
But she'd certainly be better than Trump. And if she can split the Republican votes in the general election, even better.
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I don’t care if she sucks. She won’t beat Trump in the end. The longer she stays in the race, the more angry he’s gonna get at his own party
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She wins the primary if SCOTUS rules that Trump is an insurrectionist, and she polls well against Biden precisely because she appeals to "enlightened centrists."
The question is not whether Trump should be barred as insurrectionist. The question is what candidate the leash holders of certain Justices want.
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I think she'd win in a head to head against Biden. Unless trump, which he would, sabotages her at every chance they get.
I can pretty much guarantee that bidens folks want to run against the guy who keeps losing vs a young competent woman.
Don't confuse my thoughts with support. I don't like her, I'm just realistic.
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After living through the last few elections, I'm not going to bet on whether Biden vs Haley or Biden vs Trump will lead to a better result. But I really don't see how helping Haley would actually accomplish anything. Even if the Democrats made a big (wasted) effort to push & campaign for Haley, it's not going to be nearly enough to make her the nominee.
Absent the Supreme Court declaring Trump ineligible (don't hold your breath) It's going to be Biden vs Trump. Prepare for that. Messing with the Republican's sham primary is a waste of effort and a distraction from more constructive things Democrats could be doing like getting their voters registered and ready to go to the polls in November.
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This is not "messing with Trump". Anyone in any party should participate in primaries. They decide who everyone else will get to vote for, and in some regards they are more important than the general election. For example, if someone is in a gerrymandered district, primaries are the only elections that matter for district level races.
If one party literally has only a single candidate, and thus there is no choice, don't vote in that primary. It's pointless. Vote in the other primary, for whatever candidate you like best, even if you don't like the candidate. Then there's some hope that when the general election comes, you'll at least be OK with both candidates. In the general election, vote for the one you like best, and if the candidate you like loses that election, you made a difference in the primary. Republican, Democrat, any party or no party, it's the way to give your vote the most influence.
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We need to help Donald Trump as a way to sow chaos in the Republican Party and guarantee ourselves a resounding victory in 2016.
---Hillary Clinton
Jesus fucking christ dems have you considered running a candidate that people want to vote for because he'll make their lives better, or did Bill Clinton convince you that you can just run as Gay Reagan every election and then either you win or your stock portfolio does?
If Trump is disqualified or drops out or drops dead - Nicky Haley would actually win against Biden right? And she's a fucking nutjob too. I mean they all are.
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