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[–] anton@lemmy.blahaj.zone 66 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Hummingbirds make for bad spys as they are an hour away from starvation for large parts of their lives.

[–] Archpawn@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Not in D&D. They just need to eat every other day, like anything else that doesn't have enough CON to go longer. I'm not sure how much they need to eat. I'm told there's a table on page 111 of the DMG, but I don't own one.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

Loud as hell too! Sounds like god's own hornet when they buzz you.

[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

But it's a magic shapeshifter hummingbird. Do they even need to eat?

[–] groovyLizard42@lemmy.eco.br 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Good question, how far do wild shape replicate biologic aspects?

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 months ago

Well, obviously it doesn't mess with your brain otherwise if you turned into a cat you'd probably just spend the rest of the day sleeping and licking your butt.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago (3 children)

How does conservation of mass work with wild shape? Is that hummingbird 180 pounds? If so, how does it fly?

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 71 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

There's no conservation of mass. Magic turned them into a bird. Any energy missing from the system went into the magic.

D&D ain't no Brandon Sanderson crunchy magic shit. It's Tolkien "this shit happened cause I magically said so" shit

[–] Sotuanduso@lemm.ee 14 points 7 months ago (2 children)

It goes into the magic and comes back when the spell is over. It's giving magic an interest free loan. Why does it cost spell slots to use this again?

[–] vithigar@lemmy.ca 13 points 7 months ago

The are two possible answers, depending on the angle you wish to take:

  1. For the same reason it costs energy to lift something onto a shelf then lower it back down, despite energy being conserved in the lifting and lowering of the object and its final energy state being unchanged. You need to impart external energy to cause change within a system.

  2. It's a game and some abilities need to cost resources for balance reasons.

[–] Apollo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago
[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago
[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Mystery solved!

[–] psud@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

There's no conservation of mass, you can wildshape into an elephant, load up with goods to your carrying capacity, then change to a raven and fly back, then back to the elephant to unload.

[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

In 3.5e one of the strongest builds I'd ever seen was a hummingbird wild shape air-domain caster druid with the natural spell feat (I believe that is what it was called). They'd fly around the battlefield in bird form which gave them such insane AC bonuses as to be basically unhittable, then they'd just cast Call Lightning and Ice Storm and destroy the enemies while remaining untouchable. It was honestly insanely OP

[–] HuntressHimbo@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Hmm, interesting build. Did the player ever run into trouble with AoE saves? I feel like a Con save with no to-hit roll would be the Achilles heel there

[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago

I only played a one-shot with the guy; it was just a fun-run kind of game so I didn't get a chance to see a lot of character, just the one day worth of OP-ness.

[–] teft@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

The cat leaps for me and I wild shape into a flea which means I'm going to hitch a ride to the kitchens on this mean s.o.b. and hopefully I've got time for a short rest because fuck trying to explore a castle with a ~~walking~~ jumping distance of 8 inches.