Best case scenario is she wins the nomination.
Everyone keeps saying that "Biden's best chance is against Trump".
And while that may be technically true, something people fail to take into account is that under absolutely no circumstances is Trump going quietly.
There's a 0% chance he doesn't run as an independent or write in candidate and split the Republican vote. It's just not going to happen.
And yes, the Republican party could just hand him the nomination and put him up if Nikki wins legitimately, but then they've just disenfranchised everyone that voted for her, everyone that wanted to vote Republican but didn't want to vote for Trump.
And some of those people will vote for Biden, and some may not vote at all.
But as much of a piece of shit as she is, the mess she's making in the Republican party is doing us all a huge favor.
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Trump could die tomorrow and he would still get a non-trivial number of votes. Diehard MAGA would be talking about how he's not really dead, that he never stopped being president, and that Trump's hair looks amazing.
I'll be willing to bet actual Dollarbucks that he gets write in votes ~10 years or 3 elections after he dies.
What are they gonna do, believe "Big Coroner." The same folks that lied to us about COVID deaths! /S if that wasn't obvious.
Even though I disagree with Haley’s platform, I believe she’d leave office at the end of her term. I believe she’d accept the result of an election she’s lost. I believe that she’d behave with a level of decorum appropriate for the office.
So she’s immediately better than Trump simply by not being a fascist monster. Even if the dems lost to her, I wouldn’t have to worry about democracy suddenly ending or concentration camps for immigrants or nuking random countries and leaving NATO or her encouraging everyone to inject bleach and take horse de-worming pills, at least for 4 years.
It's sad that "will behave with decorum and tact" is the bar Republicans continue to struggle to clear.
I agree.
Even barring 3rd party shenanigans leaving dems in control of the WH. Haley will leave when her term is done, trump will not. I’d much rather take my chances on a less than favorable Haley-Biden matchup than make a wild, all-in bet for the future of the republic.
There is nothing about Haley that appeals to me but I hope she manages to pull this off somehow. I will sleep better, that’s for damn sure.
There is nothing about Haley that appeals to me but I hope she manages to pull this off somehow. I will sleep better, that’s for damn sure.
Agreed. I even thought about requesting a Republican ballot this year for the Ohio primary and voting for her.
I'm voting for Biden in the general either way, but I'd still rather have him up against her.
I'm sorry, but I think this whole thread is crazy, Haley could absolutely beat Biden if she somehow managed to get the Republican nomination. Independents will vote against Trump in November because his handling of COVID and January 6 freaked them out, but they don't like Biden at all either and would love to have someone else to vote for. Plus, Haley being a woman will probably go a long ways towards disarming the abortion issue for people who only think about politics for five minutes a year.
I agree with you. Hayley worries me more and I think any Republican candidate will put project 2025 into action. I think Hayley will disarm a lot of worries specifically because she's not Trump, female, and people will vote for her partly to have the first female president. If she ends up being the nominee, the new nonsense against Biden will be about him being sexist which at least some people will fall for.
If trump runs as an independent and splits the vote up, and no one ends up getting 270 electoral votes, then the house of representatives gets to choose who to make president by simple majority of 26 out of 50(one vote per state). This currently means that Republicans get to pick, since they control more states.
So basically, if Biden can't hit 270 for any reason at all, Biden loses, and even if Nikki got 80 percent of all the other non Biden votes, the Republicans controlled house could choose to put trump back in, leaving us with a president that we'll over most of America didn't vote for.
Nikki and Trump together only need half the electoral votes, with Biden getting the entire other half, and that will leave a Trump or Nikki win.
Well Trump has been skinning his base (voters) for money for close to a decade now without really giving them anymore in the wallet while president.
If they haven't figured by now that they're being scammed, they never will. The cult leader can do no wrong.
Omg imagine if she ends up being the first female president?!? This is just silly, but i do love watching conservative infighting 🍿🥂
It reminds me of the interview that Jordon Klepper did with MAGA voters in 2016.
MAGA woman: A woman can't be president! If she has a hot flash or gets emotional, she could start a war!
Jordon: Haven't all wars been started by men?
MAGA woman: pause
I cannot wrap my brain around the mental path that leads any woman to support Donald Trump.
Like...why? What on earth does this candidate offer you?
I asked my mother, so I can answer. She said if he is the Republican nominee, she will vote for him. Extended reasoning is "not a Democrat".
I know a woman that is a trump supporter. She is also a christian evangelical and has been most of her life.
I think the reason she is a trump supporter is that her christian education has taught her that there is a hierarchy to reality.
That men are the protectors - God (a man in her world view) is the head of that
Women are the providers and submissive to men.
I think the bravado of trump appeals to her sense of reality, A strong "protector" man in charge. All of his limitations are not for her to question because she is the provider not the questioner.
Trust me, there is a seriously disturbing amount of genuinely misogynistic women out there. I've had the misfortune of dealing with them many times...
As a woman in my 40s I can't even tell you the number of wars I've started during a hot flash and I'm not even the commander in chief of the largest military in the world. If I were though I would have definitely launched nukes on at least 5 occasions just because I was hot for a few minutes.
/s because jfc
she'd quite frankly be worse than trump. nevermind the fact that she wants a national abortion ban and a national trans care ban
There's no way Trump isn't going to run in November. If he get's frozen out by the GOP he'll declare himself a write in candidate, and if he's barred by SCOTUS he'll run Ivanka.
He might be dumb enough to think the GOP can run Donald Trump Jr. In his place and not have to change the ballots.
Even Eric knows that Ivanka is the smart one.
So you're saying Biden in a landslide?
Don't jinx us.
Has Ivanka even been seen with him since she and Jared walked away with their $2B Saudi deal?
The Republican party is desperately trying to stay alive by moving away from the crazy but it is still too strong.
Can't win a primary without him, can't win a general with him.
He wins the primary and has a stroke before the general. Everyone gets what they want.
I think there are a great many Republicans who won't vote for a woman for president. Haley would be great for Dems, IMO.
She's worse than Hillary.
She's GOP so that's a given. If she becomes the R presidential candidate they just gave the race to Biden though, IMO.
No, I don't think so. She's a good debater, there's a reason why Trump was afraid to go on a debate stage with her. She would emasculate him on the debate stage.
And I have a generally high opinion on Biden, but he has visibly aged since the last election in 2020. I'm confident he could put forward his views well in a hypothetical debate with Haley, but his age would be out on full display, much more so than if he were debating someone his age. The story from those debates wouldn't be about what they said, but about the age difference.
I also think Biden only cares about beating Trump. If we find out that Haley is getting the nomination, then Biden will conveniently find out about some health issue that makes him unable to go on, and Harris would take over the ticket. (Too late to have a primary cycle, oh darn!) A Harris/Whitmer ticket stands a much better chance of beating Haley than Biden/Harris.
I admit you might have a point there. That's a good rebuttal to my thinking.
I think you underestimate the "team" aspect. I think even the folks who hate women hate losing more.
I don't see Trump admitting defeat, even in the primary. And if even a small percentage of Republicans in swing states insist on voting Trump instead of Haley it could very easily cost them the election.
Many many Republicans will not vote for anyone but Trump. Look at Mitt Romney. He didn't excite the crazies.
I'm sure that burns him more than anything. She's got a bigger wad than he does.
And bigger hands.
From everything I've seen, this race is over. New Hampshire was one of the highest populations of Haleys base and she still lost by 10 points.
She would need a very seismic shift in the race to have any prayer of a chance.
And just to be clear, I'm quite liberal. But whenever I write these comments people think I'm for Trump. I just look at the data.
It's she staying in the race just as the remaining candidate in case Trump can't join the general election for judicial or health reasons?
Split the party.
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I have a gut feeling that if she is the nominee, she will win the general election. I feel like there are a fair number of conservatives who aren't compelled to vote or even would vote for Biden if Trump was the nominee. But without Trump as a motivator, the math changes a bit.
The only chance she has as the nominee is if Trump is literally dead. Any scenario where she's the nominee and Trump is alive has him splitting the vote too much to give her any shot at all.
Honestly I'm not even sure if his core voters would go for her even if he were dead.
There's a lot of sexism and racism that could prevent conservatives from voting for her though. It'd be interesting to see.