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Best case scenario is she wins the nomination.
Everyone keeps saying that "Biden's best chance is against Trump".
And while that may be technically true, something people fail to take into account is that under absolutely no circumstances is Trump going quietly.
There's a 0% chance he doesn't run as an independent or write in candidate and split the Republican vote. It's just not going to happen.
And yes, the Republican party could just hand him the nomination and put him up if Nikki wins legitimately, but then they've just disenfranchised everyone that voted for her, everyone that wanted to vote Republican but didn't want to vote for Trump.
And some of those people will vote for Biden, and some may not vote at all.
But as much of a piece of shit as she is, the mess she's making in the Republican party is doing us all a huge favor.
Trump could die tomorrow and he would still get a non-trivial number of votes. Diehard MAGA would be talking about how he's not really dead, that he never stopped being president, and that Trump's hair looks amazing.
I'll be willing to bet actual Dollarbucks that he gets write in votes ~10 years or 3 elections after he dies.
Most of his voters will be dead by then
Never underestimate the impact of generational stupidity
There were "elvis sightings" in the tabloids well into the 90's.
What are they gonna do, believe "Big Coroner." The same folks that lied to us about COVID deaths! /S if that wasn't obvious.
I would join Twitter specifically to say things like that.
And I loathe Twitter.
Even though I disagree with Haley’s platform, I believe she’d leave office at the end of her term. I believe she’d accept the result of an election she’s lost. I believe that she’d behave with a level of decorum appropriate for the office.
So she’s immediately better than Trump simply by not being a fascist monster. Even if the dems lost to her, I wouldn’t have to worry about democracy suddenly ending or concentration camps for immigrants or nuking random countries and leaving NATO or her encouraging everyone to inject bleach and take horse de-worming pills, at least for 4 years.
It's sad that "will behave with decorum and tact" is the bar Republicans continue to struggle to clear.
She wouldn't nuke anyone, she'd just turn the country into Handmaiden's Tale.
I agree.
Even barring 3rd party shenanigans leaving dems in control of the WH. Haley will leave when her term is done, trump will not. I’d much rather take my chances on a less than favorable Haley-Biden matchup than make a wild, all-in bet for the future of the republic.
There is nothing about Haley that appeals to me but I hope she manages to pull this off somehow. I will sleep better, that’s for damn sure.
Agreed. I even thought about requesting a Republican ballot this year for the Ohio primary and voting for her.
I'm voting for Biden in the general either way, but I'd still rather have him up against her.
I'm sorry, but I think this whole thread is crazy, Haley could absolutely beat Biden if she somehow managed to get the Republican nomination. Independents will vote against Trump in November because his handling of COVID and January 6 freaked them out, but they don't like Biden at all either and would love to have someone else to vote for. Plus, Haley being a woman will probably go a long ways towards disarming the abortion issue for people who only think about politics for five minutes a year.
I agree with you. Hayley worries me more and I think any Republican candidate will put project 2025 into action. I think Hayley will disarm a lot of worries specifically because she's not Trump, female, and people will vote for her partly to have the first female president. If she ends up being the nominee, the new nonsense against Biden will be about him being sexist which at least some people will fall for.
I had the same thought. The reality is that most of America now identifies as Independent,
Haley absolutely massacred Trump in the New Hampshire primaries in regards to independents,
I'm way more worried about a Haley run than another Biden vs Trump square-off. Everyone's already made the great points on all the other views with age, gender, and it still being the republican party in control but people would be tricked with the optics.
If trump runs as an independent and splits the vote up, and no one ends up getting 270 electoral votes, then the house of representatives gets to choose who to make president by simple majority of 26 out of 50(one vote per state). This currently means that Republicans get to pick, since they control more states.
So basically, if Biden can't hit 270 for any reason at all, Biden loses, and even if Nikki got 80 percent of all the other non Biden votes, the Republicans controlled house could choose to put trump back in, leaving us with a president that we'll over most of America didn't vote for.
Nikki and Trump together only need half the electoral votes, with Biden getting the entire other half, and that will leave a Trump or Nikki win.
Keep in mind that in the last 30-something years, Republicans have only won the popular vote once for the Presidency, and that was back in 2004.
Yeah, the popular vote also used to always be the same as the electoral college vote. Since that stopped happening with the 2000 election, a republican (W Bush) has only won it once--in '04, as you say.
What else is new?
Yeah in a vacuum are people maybe tired of Biden and dumb enough to gamble everything on a "change"? Sure. But Trump definitely has the crazies, the core, and other people who stayed at home in 2012 firmly in his grasp. He's not going to just tell Uncle Crazy to get in line and vote for Haley.
Conventional wisdom is that young Haley could beat and old and not popular incumbent, but it's banking on a bunch of Bush era realities, including Trump following norms.
Saint Nikk(y)? 🎅
Should we be donating to her campaign? Would that money travel further in making sure neither of them win vs. donating to Biden?
Im not going to give either a penny but I am curious what others think.