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New research on asexuality shows why it’s so important for doctors and therapists to distinguish between episodes of low libido and a consistent lack of sexual attraction

Over the past two decades psychological studies have shown that asexuality should be classified not as a disorder but as a stable sexual orientation akin to homosexuality or heterosexuality. Both cultural awareness and clinical medicine have been slow to catch on. It's only recently that academic researchers have begun to look at asexuality not as an indicator of health problems but as a legitimate, underexplored way of being human.

In biology, the word “asexual” typically gets used in reference to species that reproduce without sex, such as bacteria and aphids. But in some species that do require mating to have offspring, such as sheep and rodents, scientists have observed individuals that don't appear driven to engage in the act.

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[–] jezebelley@leminal.space 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

"Iffin' you don't like fuckin' there must be sumthin wrong wit'chu'!"

Humans are slaves to sex. As an asexual it's so nice to be free of that. I see it as an upgrade, personally.

[–] Fosheze@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Asexual ≠ Not liking sex. Asexual means not feeling sexual attraction. There are plenty of us with a perfectly active libido.

[–] jezebelley@leminal.space 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Interesting. I didn't know this. Personally, I actively avoid sex. No interest.

[–] Fosheze@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yep. Asexuality and aromanticism define a lack of a type of attraction. There are a lot of different ways to group attraction types but here is one of the most common ones.

Libido is entirely seperate and in many cases is only somewhat related. Of course, there are plenty of ace people like you too. But personally all of the ace people I know are the horniest people in my friend group. Not finding anyone sexually attractive doesn't stop a person from being a theoretical slut.

[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Honest question, if you are ace but also very horny, what are you horny about..? What makes you horny? This seems a bit contradictory to me.

I’m not ace, and I feel horny about things I’m sexually attracted to. I can’t imagine feeling horny for other things?

[–] Fosheze@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

The gist of it is that it's the act not the person. Not feeling sexual attraction basically just means that thwre is noone I find "hot". There are still people I like for platonic reasons and I can still appreciate asthetic beauty but I never look at a person and find them sexually apealing. That doesn't mean they're unapealing it's just that I lack that specific feeling. It's like describing the taste of light; it just doesn't make sense to me.

Even if there is noone I find sexually attractive the act of sex still appeals to me just because it is fun and feels good. When it comes to potential sexual partners platonic attraction is typically what I base that on. It just a fun activity between friends like playing a board game or watching a movie. You can still constantly desire sex without feeling sexual attraction, thus horny.

[–] stephen01king@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You could just be horny for your own pleasure, and not towards your sexual partner.

[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Huuummm but then I feel the word horny has different meanings for us. I’m not horny for pleasure, I’d say. I’m horny for things I’m sexually attracted to. And I feel pleasure in indulging in that. The horniness is not for the pleasure, it’s a feeling that represents that sexual attraction.

How would you describe being “horny for your own pleasure”?

I hope I’m not coming off like a dick, I’m just genuinely curious I swear 😆

[–] stephen01king@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 years ago

Well, I'm not asexual, so I can't really answer for them. But there are times where I am more turned on by the feeling of pleasure than by the subject I am faced with, in a sense. I would assume that is how it works for asexual people.

[–] Chee_Koala@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

*Not ace. Getting horny for me feels like a reptile brain thing intruding in my normal life. It's like my body has a very limited use superpower, and can randomly provide hornyness at specific and un-specific moments :) I responded to you because 'just getting horny' seems weird to you, while it doesn't to me.

[–] BlackNo1@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago

nah sex is fun lol

[–] yuriy@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

I’m a pansexual with some asexual relationship preferences and I’m SO excited for more awareness. I’ve had a good percentage of partners who were made to feel bad by their own expectations of what they should be doing in a relationship and it’s so fucken stupid.

You’re not weird or wrong because you don’t look at this or that thing through a sexual lens, you might even be healthy for it. 🙊

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

It's probably just an issue with oxytocin.

It does a lot of stuff, but what's important here is it's about social bonding. When it's not functioning correctly, you just never get lonely, you don't have the negatives from lack of social relationships including romantic.

Also, it's what make orgasms feel amazing. So without it, your getting rid of the two main positives for sexual relationships.

You might still enjoy the act of sex, you just don't get the huge addicting high at the end of it.

So it's at most a "sure, why not" thing compared to everyone else. And for some people, it's just not worth the hassle to varying degrees.

We also haven't identified any genetic markers, but there's likely some out there. And there's environmental issues when young that can effect it your whole life.

So we barely understand the "nurture" component and no idea about the "nature" side of things.

Edit:

Rather than keep responding to the same comments, please just scroll down for more information before replying.

[–] TheHowTM@lemmings.world 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I mean it's generally bad form to attempt to explain why someone is of a particular orientation. You don't say "well you're only gay because you have trauma," because that's fucked up and overtly reductive of a key aspect of their personality.

I don't experience sexual attraction. I still get horny. Orgasms feel great. I get lonely all the time, and still need social interaction. My experience is far from unique amongst asexual people. I don't think it's as simple as a single chemical imbalance.

At the same time, I am scientifically-minded, and understand that my mind arises as a product of the processes of my brain and body. I don't disagree that hormones play as a factor in my orientation, but not everyone in the ace community shares that sentiment, and of course having your orientation chalked up to a specific medical or phychological "quirk" generally feels bad.

[–] Sentau@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If you dont mind me asking what is the difference between sexual attraction and being horny?

[–] TheHowTM@lemmings.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sexual attraction requires a object of attraction, usually a person who you feel the urge to have sex with. Arousal isn't directed.

[–] Sentau@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So does arousal have no trigger in your case¿? Is morning wood an example of such arousal where it is not directed¿?

[–] TheHowTM@lemmings.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Basically. Sometimes I just realize I'm horny. If the situation allows, I may go deal with it. I'm sure there have been times where a stimulus of a sexual nature produced an arousal response in me, but never from a desire for intercourse with the object of the stimulus.

[–] Sentau@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Thanks for indulging my curiosity.

[–] TheHowTM@lemmings.world 2 points 2 years ago

No problem. As an aside, and just so you know, my experience may not be unique, but it also does not describe that of all asexual people. There is a WHOLE lot of variation.

[–] MalReynolds@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago
[–] Caesium@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

wow I didn't know being Ace made me immune to lonliness I guess all those days where I felt the complete emptiness from having a lack of relationship was just me being goofy :p

[–] skybreaker@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You've got to be careful how you're referring to it. Asexual is not the same thing as aromantic. Confusing the two causes people to misunderstand both.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

But neither are binary things... People can be asexual and/or aromantic in lots of different ways to various degrees.

And both are related to oxytocin. Either production or uptake, maybe both.

No two people are exactly the same.

Everyone is so hung up on labels, if this wasn't a sub literally called c/science, I would have put all the disclaimers in there. But I assumed people on here wouldn't need it, and understood this stuff is always a scale.

[–] hglman@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Sure...

Anytime you're taking about neurotransmitters or hormones, there's not really a "right" or "wrong".

Just natural human variation. And there's a shit ton of human variation.

They actually make oxytocin nasal spray now. But if someone is happy with who they are, it's not like they have to take it. I don't know of any studies where it's used with asexuality though, I think just autism.

For some people (like all the ones in the article) they want it fixed. Others are perfectly happy the way they are, and both are fine and none of anyone else's business

[–] Laticauda@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

There are lots of asexuals who can orgasm just fine and feel amazing after just like anyone else, and who can be lonely. You know sex isn't the only form of social bonding right? Asexuals are perfectly capable of forming social relationships, including romantic ones since being asexual and aromantic aren't the same thing. This comment is so off base it's frankly a bit ridiculous, you clearly have no idea how asexuality works so maybe you shouldn't make sweeping assumptions about it.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Who taught all you people that neurotransmitters were binary?

It's starting to get concerning...

[–] Laticauda@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You certainly talk about them like they're binary. You talk like someone who doesn't actually know anything about asexual people, and I say that as someone who is asexual myself. Imagine if someone tried to narrow down being gay or bi to a single chemical, it's ridiculous.

[–] Papanca@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago
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