Next, he’s going to say that he did repeat the oath, but he had his fingers crossed so it doesn’t count.
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The Narcissist's Prayer:
That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.
Damn. Well, you win this time, Mr Donald, but we'll get you in the end!
https://youtu.be/ohgTEk9h1kc?si=RP3DiYmUxUooBnPH
It took me seconds to find video proving this is a lie.
They are arguing that the oath doesn't include the word "support" not that he didn't take the oath. Not saying it's a good argument but that's what they are actually arguing.
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
Emphasis mine.
I feel like if that's your argument, you absolutely have no business being president.
He didn't and doesn't.
I wonder what their definition of "support" is and how they plan on using that as a defense.
Or what their definition of “defend” is, and how they plan to use that as support.
Well. I mean he didn't literally carry the constitution around. So he wasn't supporting it that way.
The judge also found that the "Office of President of the United States" was not an office of the United States... so yeah...
It's the Air Bud loophole for fascists.
I would much rather have a golden retriever as my president
Their argument is that because he did not use the exact word "support" in respect to the Constitution, that he is not able to be excluded from holding office in the US even if he did commit seditious acts. He is saying that his oath to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution" is entirely different than an oath to "support" it. It's nonsense, but one judge (in Colorado, I believe?) ~~has already provided legitimacy to that argument, so... the stupid argument now has judicial precedent.~~
Edit: Correcting my mistake about the Judge's verdict. The judge did not uphold the argument that the Presidential oath was not to "support" the Constitution. Instead, the Judge was convinced by Trump's team that the President is not an "officer of the United States". Therefore, Trump took no oath as an Officer of the United States, and, thus, Section 3 of the 14th Amendment (which exclude someone who swore such an oath, who then incites an insurrection from holding federal or state office) simply doesn't apply to someone who has only sworn an oath as President.
That judge is insane. The word "officer" literally means "one who holds office". This has always been the dictionary definition of the word. What the fuck is that judge smoking?!
He's smoking his fat bribes from the rich cunts that run the country.
"Because the framers chose to define the group of people subject to Section Three by an oath to 'support' the Constitution of the United States, and not by an oath to 'preserve, protect and defend' the Constitution, the framers of the Fourteenth Amendment never intended for it to apply to the President," Blue wrote.
By the same token, the Second Amendment doesn't say "guns".
Walk down 5th Ave with a good ole fashioned saber and see what happens 🫠
We're all dumber for having this guy around
Remember that a large portion of the country still rallies behind this person. It's a sad state of affairs.
Republicans: “let’s vote for this guy”
I feel like the founders felt that the voting base would not possibly be dumb enough to support an individual like Trump. They put in appropriate guardrails but never thought such a large portion of the country would push so hard towards fascism.
Of course they didn't. They wrote all this assuming that wealthy white landowning men would continue to be the only ones who could vote. Populism was not something on their radar.
"I don't stand behind anything." - Trump in the oval office, 2017
So, yeah.
The argument that I've heard from some prominent lawyers is that "preserve, protect and defend" was intended by the framers to be a stronger oath than "support" and that it should be construed as including "support". Hopefully the courts agree with that reasoning.
Even if not stronger per se, surely if I said I was going to "protect" you, we would agree that I am "supporting" you. It's like saying I only promised to make you wealthier, not pay you. They are not literally the same word but paying someone is a way to make them wealthier.
I can't comprehend how any American who calls himself a patriot can vote for this traitorous pig.
Bam. Perjury.
What a simpler time when we could all joke about Clinton arguing about the meaning of the word “is”.
At least then we could argue about a lie being a lie, now it's all "he never said that (literally 4 seconds ago), if he did it's fine, if you're mad that's your fault, he never said it anyway. I like that he said it."
thing about that is, clinton actually had a point. he said "there is nothing going on between [he and monica lewinsky]" when asked, and was then accused of perjury. He argued that "is" meant "is", and because at the time of asking he and lewinsky didn't have an ongoing relationship he didn't lie.
Also back then a president getting a BJ was grounds for impeachment lol it really puts things into perspective
IIRC, he was impeached for lying about it, not actually doing it which IMHO, is less of an issue than cheating on your wife.
Great now im imagining a timeline where bill was 100% honest about it in a congressional hearing "Yeah I solicited a blowjob from monica, im one of the most famous and wealthiest politicians of the era. Spoilers, all us rich politicians like to get away with stuff we shouldn't be doing, and the system is rigged to let us do it. So, what are you gonna do about it?"
I hope we see this in the political ads next year
If the Founders wanted Presidents removed for committing Insurrection they would have EXPLICITLY stated it in the Constitution! Just like how the EXPLICITLY allow people to own AR15 guns and how it's EXPLICITLY allowed to shoot up schools with those guns!
Harry & Lloyd, Laurel & Hardy, Trump & The Republican Party.
Not sure which one's the dumbest.
It's cool guys, he crossed his toes before he took the stand so it didn't count.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ohgTEk9h1kc&t=36 wtf did I just watch then? Is this some weird DnD timeline, where you can roll to disbelieve?
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
I mean, the word "support" doesn't appear there, although it's a stretch to say that "Preserve, protect, and defend" doesn't imply "support" also.
It says "to the best of my ability" and since he has no abilities, he has no responsibility to do anything.
Yeah well he didn't swear to read the Constitution either, so it's okay if he doesn't support it /s
It's actually rather painfully clear he's never read it anyway.
This is just some inane bullshit dancing around language.
Yeah, he was crossing his fingers behind his back. Like every other time when he opens his mouth.