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Craig Sumner Elliott, 68, allegedly shot Antonio Garcia Avalos, 40, in incident in Orange county

A California jogger was charged this week in the killing of a homeless man who was blocking the sidewalk.

Craig Sumner Elliott, 68, was jogging with his two dogs and pushing a cart on 28 September when he came across Antonio Garcia Avalos, 40, who was sleeping in the middle of the sidewalk, prosecutors in Orange county, California, said.

Elliott allegedly tried to wake Avalos by nudging him with the pushcart, whereupon Avalos started yelling at Elliott to leave him alone.

Elliott, who allegedly filmed their encounter, then brought a handgun out of his cart, prosecutors charged, adding that when Avalos stood and threw a shoe at Elliott, he ducked and responded by shooting Avalos three times.

Avalos subsequently died from his injuries. Elliott, who does have an active concealed carry permit issued by the local sheriff’s office, was arrested on 17 November in the incident.

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[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 150 points 11 months ago (20 children)

Someone who goes jogging with a concealed gun is just looking for a reason to murder someone. This guy found one. 

[–] ickplant@lemmy.world 83 points 11 months ago (2 children)

In my neighborhood there is a old guy who takes his little granddaughter for walks while open carrying a gun. We live in a very safe suburban area. Some people are fucking nuts and are totally looking for a fight.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 51 points 11 months ago (2 children)

What you don’t realize is he’s open carrying to scare the granddaughter straight, she’s concealed carrying and the only thing stopping her from killing you all is grandpa.

[–] teft@startrek.website 27 points 11 months ago

The only way to stop a bad grandpa with a gun is a good granddaughter with a gun.

[–] ickplant@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

It's ~~turtles~~ guns all the way down.

[–] Assman@sh.itjust.works 20 points 11 months ago

My neighbor is strapped when he mows the fucking lawn. This is in a neighborhood where zero violent crime has taken place in the five years I've lived there.

[–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

Eh, hiking and jogging are actually a really good reason to CCW, especially if you live in a remote area. You also have to think about mountain lions and bears where I am, though. We've also had multiple trail abductions, 2 of which resulted in laws being passed for abduction here.

That being said, I have been sickened by the number of times I've heard jokes like: "This'll give the mailman a bad time", or, "I hope they fuck around and find out." I completely agree, a lot of gun owners WANT to shoot someone.

[–] QHC@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

He had two dogs with him. Highly doubt he's getting mugged or attacked by mountain lions.

[–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I'm not talking about this guy.

I'm not trying to defend the guy, but two dogs would get DRAGGED by a mountain lion.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

That can't even be a comfortable way to jog!

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Almost every time I've gone so far as to draw a weapon, or even came close, it involved an animal. The 4-legged sort. And I can count those times, including being close to drawing, on one hand. But still... (Maybe I drew once?)

My small children are here for the week, guns in the safes, but I normally have my Colt .45 hidden on my desk.

Couple of nights ago I heard a ruckus, opened the door, and a fucking pit bull was right there running around. I have a giant dog door, that dog could have run right in. And a bear did so one time!

Grabbed the single-shot 12-gauge over the door sill, jammed one in there, went back on the porch. Fortunately, he was a happy, friendly puppy that got loose from a young family taking a walk. My relief cannot be overstated.

"That your dog?"

"Yes, so sorry!"

"Oh thank god, no problem! No problem at all!"

So no, I'm not walking the streets or woods unarmed. And no, we gun owners are not all murderous fucking nutcases.

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[–] Kyle_The_G@lemmy.world 70 points 11 months ago (2 children)

alright time to go for a jog! got my running shoes, sunglasses, headphones, whoops, can't forget the gun!

[–] ZzyzxRoad@sh.itjust.works 20 points 11 months ago

Or the cart, apparently. Who jogs with two dogs and a cart?

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[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 56 points 11 months ago

I've seen countless americans claiming that it's perfectly justified to drive over people if they get in the way of your car, so this is pretty on-brand.

[–] Augustiner@lemmy.world 42 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Man is almost 70 and still jogging and shooting homeless people while filming it! Must have been a wild life.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 66 points 11 months ago (7 children)

He had two dogs and was pushing a cart that carried his gun...

Whatever he was doing, it wasn't jogging.

And him taking his phone out to record himself kicking the other man and yelling at him first, was likely only because he was hoping to antagonize a homeless person so he could "defend himself".

He's got to be one of those idiots who believe the "stand your ground" bullshit.

You can't start kicking a sleeping man and then claim you're a victim, but he's gonna try

[–] yenahmik@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (3 children)

That was my first thought, reading the article. There's no way he was just jogging. What kind of jogger takes a cart with them? I've never seen something like that, and I see a lot of joggers in my area.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

When the story first broke, most articles called him a dog walker.

Anything to not make it obvious it's another rage addicted boomer I guess

[–] SheeEttin@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

People with children in strollers. Other than that, I've never seen it either.

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[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 9 points 11 months ago

Absolutely. This is one of the big problems with so many people carrying guns. There are many shitty people looking for a reason to use them.

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[–] Fades@lemmy.world 39 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

What a fucking coward, you threw a shoe at me? Time to die!

dehumanization is absolutely disgusting, and it's a core part of this capitalist hellscape

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I wonder if the shooter isn't slipping into dementia or the like. One clearly has to be suffering some sort of mental illness to lose their shit like this.

I'm 52, so this is a concern for me. First hint that I'm losing it? My wife will be instructed to change the safe codes and hide the backup keys. Gets worse? Guns will all have to go.

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[–] Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago

This wouldn't have happened if only the homeless man had a gun! We need to educate the homeless to carry weapons! More guns is the answer!

[–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Before anyone says he deserved it for throwing a shoe...

Someone did that to George W. Bush, WHILE HE WAS PRESIDENT, and he was simply arrested.

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 10 points 11 months ago

I believe they threw both shoes even!

[–] MartinXYZ@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago

And this happened in Iraq.

[–] dewritoninja@pawb.social 6 points 11 months ago

That shoe was a weapon of mass destruction

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[–] Pirate_lemmy_arrrrR@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Well trash has been removed from the sidewalk.

Unfortunate that an innocent homeless man had to die though.

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[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 28 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Supposed "good guy with a gun" led to a death that wouldn't have happened if there were stricter gun control.

[–] TheBloodFarts@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Arm the homeless!

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This could have been avoided if there was a Good Jogger With A Gun

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

I'm starting a charity... "Arm the Homeless". We can set up arming stations for the unhoused, providing assault rifles and even free ammo for those who run low.

[–] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Clearly he needed to use deadly force to protect himself from that (checks post again) rogue shoe...

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Maybe it was an assault style shoe

[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I've heard it was a semi-automatic shoe with bump stock.

[–] PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

He must have customized it. That model usually comes with a birken stock.

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[–] teft@startrek.website 8 points 11 months ago

He should have done like W and dodged the shoe. Shit George dodged twice and didn’t shoot anyone. He left the shootings to Dick Cheney.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 21 points 11 months ago

Wants a guy laying on the sidewalk to move. Naturally, he kills him so he can't move out of the way. Logical.

[–] EtherWhack@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

Apparently, it was the old man who threw the shoe, not the homeless man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_1mzHyXstI

[–] Brekky@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Exactly how do you 'nudge' someone with a cart? Is talking to them loudly or reaching down and touching a shoulder really that impossible? (god forbid you choose to go around them, the inconvenience!)

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[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Glad he is charged. It is what he deserves.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Only took 50 days to arrest him. Expedited.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 7 points 11 months ago

This "well-regulated militia" was legally carrying a firearm. Biden's deep state is charging him anyway!

--Conservatives, probably

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