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A few year back, there was a Netflix documentary about flat earther. They've done a couple of experiment to prove that the earth is flat which (Spoiler alert) demonstrated that the earth is round.

So now that these persons have demonstrated scientifically that the earth is round. How are they doing ? Still flat-earther ? or did they give up with the amount of evidence they collected ?

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[–] CaptainBlagbird@lemmy.world 175 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The movie is called Behind the Curve, and imo is a great move.

It doesn't try to ridicule the people in it. Instead it tries to make a point that if a group like the flat earth society is being made fun of rather than engaged in discussions, then the gap just gets larger and the problem worse. (If everyone else makes fun of you, you avoid them and stay in the community that supports you.)

As far as I can tell, Mark Sargent is still believing in those theories and continues doing his part in it. This doesn't surprise me, he's quite prominent in that community and I guess if he stopped, he'd lose quite a lot of his personal achievements, friends, hobbies, etc.

I don't know about the others who were in the movie, it would be interesting to know. Especially about those who were directly doing the experiments, yeah.

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Have you considered that there is actually more virtue in containing stupid than trying to rescue it. The audience for such communication is rarely the person afflicted because its almost impossible to convince such folks its the folks at the margins who might be convinced either way.

Consider an imaginary belief say 0.5% of the population believes that flu can be treated by shoving pancakes up your ass. If ridicule keeps the percentage at 0.5% instead of growing to 1% its incredibly virtuous whereas more respectful treatment of the belief might help you convince 0.01% to stop shoving starch in their rectum while allowing the mental virus to spread to far more people.

This theory is applicable everywhere. Every time you engage with a crazy person or a nazi imagine your audience is the other folks reading the discussion not the person you are engaging.

[–] HessiaNerd@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If ridicule keeps the percentage at 0.5% instead of growing to 1% its incredibly virtuous

That if is doing a lot of lifting. One of the points of the movie is that people and media was laughing off the flat earthers and they grew in strength to have a national movement.

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[–] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hey now, don't kink shame. I'd be fine with people shoving pancakes up their ass. It's better than the bleach some of them drank to try and kill coronavirus.

[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

These people deserve to be ridiculed. It’s time we stop catering to these Idiots and allow them to face the consequences of their ignorance. Same with the MAGA minions.

[–] Aabbcc@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What consequences are there for being a flat earth idiot?

I don't understand how you can see a comment that says "being mean is unproductive" and conclude "we should be mean anyways"

Do you carry the same principle for fat shaming?

[–] pathief@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fat shaming is such a bad analogy, I wouldn't dream to mock someone for their body.

Mocking someone for the factually wrong "theory" they scientifically disproved themselves.... That's fair game.

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[–] sirboozebum@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

The village should not change for the village idiot.

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[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Didn’t they also establish that Sargent is a hyper-religious Christian and that the majority of American flat-earthers are? If this is a religious belief for them then there’s absolutely no hope that they’ll change their views.

[–] cogman@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's mostly a religious belief. There are a couple of Bible verses that say things like "the earth will be rolled up like a scroll" and "spread to the four corners of the earth".

Biblical literalists cannot handle the Bible being incorrect about anything, so it's everyone else that's wrong.

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[–] lgmjon64@lemmy.world 157 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know a guy who was involved in some of those "experiments" and spent a considerable amount of time and money on them. He still is very adamant that it just proves that there is some other unknown confounding variable that just proves that the experiment was valid and that the designers of the flat earth already expected the experiments. It's really depressing. I used to really respect him when I was younger.

[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 55 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hold the fuck up. Now theres DESIGNERS of the flat earth? Jesus Christ

[–] Player2@sopuli.xyz 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Vaginal_blood_fart@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)
[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 9 points 1 year ago

The Time Traveling adventures of Yahweh and his selfson, Jesus.

Luke, I am.. my own father

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Hi Dad. It's me, you.

[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 128 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think they’re voting for Trump.

[–] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

They illuminati killed them for their insolence

[–] scytale@lemm.ee 89 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Most probbably just doubled down and made excuses. The main takeaway of the documentary was a lot of those people are just lost/lonely and being part of that club gave them a sense of belonging to a group of similar people.

[–] MeatsOfRage@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

Yea I'm glad the documentary uncovered that. It really shows why someone would get into this despite it being pretty easy to prove otherwise (even inadvertently proving themselves wrong) they have this little community of friends.

[–] Arcane_Trixster@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There was a short segment on 60 Minutes (maybe?) back in 2020 before the elections where they interviewed someone who had deprogrammed himself from Qanon.

It was the same story. He had no friends IRL, no social support, he had turned his mom onto Qanon and she was still down the rabbit hole.

He said that was the part that kept him in it for so long, even once he started questioning things. All his "friends" and close relations were part of the cult and he would have to cut ties with everyone or worse, they would turn on him and attack him as a traitor.

It would be sad if these online-cults weren't so damaging to society.

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[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

People like to feel like they're in on some truth that most people aren't aware of.

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The sad part is that the less intelligent someone is, then the stronger is the need for that hidden truth. Highly educated and intelligent people are more comfortable with ignorance and need less that validation of having secret knowledge.

[–] jandar_fett@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On the other side of that coin, it is much easier for someone with a high degree of intelligence and self awareness, to perform the necessary mental gymnastics to justify bullshit beliefs...

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[–] seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Did you watch the movie? Because the experiments showed that the earth was round, they decided that there must have been something wrong with the experiments.

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

Flat Earth Follower: "So what was the result of that laser gyroscope experiment we all gave you money for?"

Flat Earth Leader: "Well it showed a 15 degree an hour rotation... So we think 'heaven energies' are affecting it."

Flat Earth Follower: Nods happily, knowing he doesn't have to change his beliefs.

[–] NoiseColor@startrek.website 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Very important question! Did they do the mind acrobat tango and still believe it's flat or did they just go to the next conspiracy theory?

[–] ChrisLicht@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

No idea, but the greatest predictor of whether someone will believe a conspiracy theory is if they already believe another conspiracy theory.

[–] kevin@programming.dev 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The documentary was called "Behind the Curve" and featured Bob Knodel. Unfortunately he passed away this year. https://www.robertsfhsc.com/obituary/RobertBob-Knodel

It looks like you still believed in the theory though. He had a YouTube channel that was devoted to flat Earth conspiracy.

[–] aberrate_junior_beatnik@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The experiment he was involved in was the gyroscope one. The documentary showed what happened after his experiment "failed": he decided the experiment was flawed and needed to be refined.

The aftermath of the wood slats with holes experiment at the end wasn't shown, but based on the rest of the documentary (and the history of people with conspiratorial beliefs) it's almost certain they did the same.

RIP to Bob, though. I hope his friends & family are coping well.

[–] DontTreadOnBigfoot@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

he decided the experiment was flawed and needed to be refined.

Ah yes, the scientific method:

  • Make an observation or ask a question
  • Gather background information
  • Create a hypothesis
  • Create a prediction and perform a test
  • Analyze the results and draw a conclusion
  • ~~Share the conclusion or decide what question to ask next~~ Discard the experiment if it doesn't support your preconceptions
[–] kevin@programming.dev 7 points 1 year ago

You are correct, I had forgotten about the last experiment with the light shining across a distance. For some reason I thought that the gyroscope was the one that they ended on.

Bob may have been confused about the shape of the Earth, but he was still a person with family and friends. A good thing to remember about all of these people.

[–] cpw@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 year ago

Going to suggest the folding ideas YouTube channel on the same topic.

https://youtu.be/JTfhYyTuT44?si=m2b1gAkCOlDOnCle

Spoiler: his hypothesis, well supported in my opinion, is that a large proportion of those formerly in flat earth are now neck deep in qanon, and since the film was made many are now into other conspiracy stuff. The election was fake etc.

Also, his video of minnewanka lake is just perfect flat earth debunking.

[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

I'm sure they changed their minds... /s

[–] yata@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is not a lot to laugh about with flat earthers. The theory stems from Christian fundamentalism, and it is tightly connected to the christofascist movements trying to coup the USA at the moment.

And no, they are not going to give up their beliefs, because they didn't come by them through rational thought, so rational thought isn't going to disprove it for them.

[–] Zozano@aussie.zone 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just to piggyback off this for the uninitiated:

If the Earth is round, then that means Earth is just like any other planet; one in a trillion.

Flat Earthers are convinced "space" is an illusion, all the celestial bodies are there to trick us into feeling insignificant.

If the Earth is flat, then we are special.

Truth is: we aren't, not in any cosmic sense.

[–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not specifically about those same individuals, but I want to mention Dan Olsen's documentary In Search of a Flat Earth, which touches more on the ideology of the flat earth movement, and how it's developed in recent years. No spoilers, peeps!

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[–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I saw some of them in the zoo last sunday.

[–] jmbreuer@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

... And it's rather quite... interesting... how long this has been going on...

[–] KISSmyOS@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] Hotdogman@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Apparently their theory fell flat in a round-a-bout way.

[–] Haphazard9479@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I dont know, I think they came around.

[–] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

They persisted in their flat disagreement with the earth being a sphere

[–] cabbagee@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 year ago

It's been a while since I saw it, but I remember most people thought something was wrong with the experiment setup or equipment.

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