Don't care? They know it and they want it. The cruelty is the point.
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It's weirder then that: The reason is: "It's god's plan that you became pregnant, and if you do not survive, that's god's plan too. We just need to trust the plan".
It's one of the reasons why I strongly believe religion is the source of all things evil.
That's not religion. That's abusers using religion to control people. Which unfortunately the most vocal make sound like that's all religion.
Islam says (for instance) that they have the final word of god. Thats pretty damning in and of itself. It leaves no room for anything else.
Christianity had been used through the ages to commit the most heinous crimes against humanity. They still do.
We should try a world without religion.
And nothing heinous has ever been done without religion?
The faithful give over three times as much in charitable donations as the secular, and volunteer three to four times as often.
Plus, the religious have been persecuted for their beliefs as long as there had been human history, which is what you are proposing by suggesting that religion should be eliminated.
Tell me 1 good deed done in the name of religion that could not have been done without religion.
There are numerous heinous deeds done in the name of religion because it told them to do it...
People are people, they will do bad and good things. But religion always makes them worse because they put themselves above others.
The religious are only persecuted by other religions and currently religions are persecuting the non believers. (Christo fascism in the USA as a prime example)
And lastly, if churches would start paying their fair share of tax. No one will need to donate ever again.
That’s abusers using religion to control people.
I always thought that was the entire point of religion.
Then you don't know much about religion.
And you don't know much about history.
Apparently more than you do.
Apparently not.
@argv_minus_one @hedge both extremes have incorrect points, abortions should neither be encouraged nor be banned. they should be allowed as a medical procedure, not a form of birth control.
Abortion has never been a form of birth control. It has always been a fail-safe for when birth control fails (e.g. a condom breaks) or could not be used (e.g. because a woman was raped). Please do not repeat right-wing misinformation.
@argv_minus_one making abortions completely legal and encouraging them would lead to that right? statistics all seem to support abortions being used as a form of birth control. this is not right wing misinformation, studies by the NAF states that 48% of women who have had an abortion have had two or more. which is quite high considering 48% of women do not have those abortions as a medical procedure.
making abortions completely legal and encouraging them would lead to that right?
No, because they're more expensive, more time-consuming, and more dangerous than birth control.
studies by the NAF states that 48% of women who have had an abortion have had two or more.
Which does not demonstrate that they are using abortion as birth control. That would be demonstrated by hundreds of abortions, not merely two, and virtually no one can even afford hundreds of abortions.
Once again, please stop repeating right-wing misinformation.
I'm sorry, why can't it be used as birth control? Why can't a medical procedure between a doctor and patient be done to better the life of the patient?
This whole anti abortion thing started with one guy in America forever ago and has spread from there. But before his crusade against abortions not many people felt one way or another about them. This seems to me like a group of people advocating making any cancer removal illegal.
@Didros personally I believe that life begins at conception. I don't find myself agreeing with the argument of "oh it's not a living being yet, so it's okay to kill". I believe that even though it's a clump of cells, eliminating it would take away the potential of life from it. In the same sense, destroying a TV remote is fine because it has zero potential for life. However this does not make me Pro life, because I do acknowledge the hardships of life ; abortions are okay as a medical procedure.
Yeah, but cancer is a litteral lump of living cells. It's an apt comparison.
And a sperm meeting an egg suddenly meaning life potential which is worth intervening in another's medical decision is such a weird line. Especially in this county obsessed with freedoms.
It feels like such an arbitrary line to draw and agree with. When did you start this belief?
We should really get rid of the term "pro-life", because the people with those beliefs are not pro-life. They're pro-birth. They don't care what happens to the children or the mothers after the birth has happened.
They're simply anti-abortion.
Annoyingly, they're often also opposed to any of the things that are known to prevent unwanted pregnancies.
They claim to be anti-abortion. In reality, many of their policies lead to increasing abortions: defunding education, defunding birth control, etc.
They aren’t pro-birth either, or they’d support things like paid family leave, etc.
These people are forced-birth
Let’s not mince words. Pro-gestational slavery.
Pro forced birthers don't care.
Not even in a 'the cruelty IS the point' way, though obviously sex is bad and suffering must happen to women (in their world view).
They don't care because it's a numbers game. Some women will die. Some will be maimed to the point where they can no longer conceive.
Those women don't matter. Only the endless brood mares who are pumping out kids. Sure a few will suffer, and 'blah blah gods plan', but they aren't part of the equation. The mass of humans being pumped out who will fodder for the corporate grist mill, or failing that filling the ranks of military or prisons.
Maternal mortality rates in the US were already abysmal. And the difference between red and blue states is appalling.
Louisiana: 58.1 per 100k
California: 4 per 100k
What are the red states doing with all the federal tax money donated to them by the blue states? How could they remain this horrific when they receive so much aid? How can they look at their maternal mortality rates and unabashedly proclaim their states to be “pro life”?
(Stats from World Population Review)
Edit: and let us not forget that the #1 cause of death for pregnant women in the US is murder by their husband or boyfriend. That statistic is going to get worse now, too.
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