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[–] BMW_stick@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

Republicans at work. A dumb electorate is the easiest to manipulate.

[–] RizzoTheSmall@lemm.ee 21 points 2 days ago

If those Americans could read they'd be very upset about that!

[–] scala@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

To make it worse year by year the republicans continue to defund education, remove sciences, sex education and history from being taught in schools. While trying to force christian religion in public schools.

What a timeline America is going through.

Also to sloppify all media.

[–] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 37 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If all natural-born citizens has to go through the naturalization process before getting the right to vote, trump would never have been elected.

Not just because they don't know the 100 (I think they changed it to 120 now?) questions, but also because they would not pass the:

"Have you ever been a member of any totalitarian party?
Have you ever been a member of a terrorist organization?
Have you ever advocated the overthrow of any government by force or violence?
Have you ever persecuted any person because of race, religion, national origin, or political opinion?" Questions

(Fun fact: They can revoke your citizenship after the fact if they catch you lying, or if you do any "terrorist" activity within 5 years of naturalization. Jan 6 riotor types would never pass this. As a naturalized citizen, I'm kinda dreading this since last November)

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I mean yeah, all those topics are covered in HS civics class….. Which they skipped.

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[–] railcar@midwest.social 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is pretty much all you need to know about the state of the United States. It's being run by 10 year old imbeciles.

[–] MangioneDontMiss@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 days ago

no, its being run by greedy, assholes, who know exactly what they're doing. The 10 year old imbeciles are their republican voters and the yes-men they hire to do their bidding.

[–] Bgugi@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

For clarity: this is based on piaac test results. The literacy test results are sorted into 6 categories (1-5 and <1) for comparing the distribution internationally. 54% of Americans score less than 3, compared to top-scoring Japan and top-english-speaking Australia at approximately 35% and 45%. The task description for level 3:

Adults at Level 3 are able to construct meaning across larger chunks of text or perform multi-step operations in order to identify and formulate responses. They can identify, interpret or evaluate one or more pieces of information, often employing varying levels of inferencing. They can combine various processes (accessing, understanding and evaluating) if required by the task . Adults at this level can compare and evaluate multiple pieces of information from the text(s) based on their relevance or credibility. Texts at this level are often dense or lengthy, including continuous, noncontinuous, mixed. Information may be distributed across multiple pages, sometimes arising from multiple sources that provide discrepant information. Understanding rhetorical structures and text signals becomes more central to successfully completing tasks, especially when dealing with complex digital texts that require navigation. The texts may include specific, possibly unfamiliar vocabulary and argumentative structures. Competing information is often present and sometimes salient, though no more than the target information. Tasks require the respondent to identify, interpret, or evaluate one or more pieces of information, and often require varying levels of inferencing. Tasks at Level 3 also often demand that the respondent disregard irrelevant or inappropriate text content to answer accurately. The most complex tasks at this level include lengthy or complex questions requiring the identification of multiple criteria, without clear guidance regarding what has to be done

I could not find which source originally cited level 2 as "6th grade" equivalent, though the oecd recommends against drawing that parallel.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

This reads like a description of the D&D PHB.

...is that why so many people think they get an extra attack when they do something other than an Attack action? Yes, that includes the Ready action. You get one hit if you ready an attack.

[–] Bgugi@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I cast 5th level numeracy on the goblins, integrating them by parts.

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[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

TIL at least 46% of Americans can read.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

It's about 80% that can read. Only about 10% can understand the concept of a metaphor though.

[–] CherryBullets@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

The fact that some replies don't understand the title of the article and some are trying to explain it is funny af to me, I'm sorry 😂

[–] 8bittech@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

Me Fail English? That's unpossible!

[–] m3t00@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

knew an old man who couldn't read. he could write phone numbers in a notebook and remembered who it was by where it was written. no names. Fort Worth 1980.

[–] doug@lemmy.today 135 points 3 days ago (7 children)

As much as I enjoyed Idiocracy when it came out, I wish its proposed answer/crux of the issue wasn’t “smart people should have kids” and instead focused on educating the ones that are already here/brought into this world.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 97 points 3 days ago (2 children)

People want easy solutions, like "Have more people be born smart" instead of hard, complex, realistic ones like "Put time, effort, and resources into robust education of the population in stable familial and social environments to develop higher averages of generally recognized metrics of intelligence in the general population"

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 60 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

There was already a precedent for all this. After the Second World War, American jumped right into the Cold War with the Russians and wanted to take the lead in science, technology, rocketry, space and engineering. They quickly realized that their country at the time was ill equiped and not well trained or educated for all this ... so they took the shortcut of using former Nazis to head their science and technology fields for a few years. Then to take up the slack, the government heavily invested in education and training to pump out the scientists, engineers and professionals they needed to gear up their technological war with the Soviets.

So the 50s, 60s, and 70s got filled with a lot of bright well trained, well educated and informed young people. They were able to power the American war machine but a side effect to all that was all these insightful young people became the backbone of a counter culture that fought against war, capitalism, inequality, conservatism and racism and supported black rights, Native rights, women's rights, minority rights, animal rights and environmentalism.

Then they had to bring in people like Reagan and Thatcher to reign in these counter culture movements and swing the pendulum back again. Once they defeated the Soviets in the Cold War, conservative America had all the incentive to break everything down again and dumb down the population until it was a just a compliant pulp that could elect a clown.

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[–] conicalscientist@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

The podcast called Sold a Story talks about how the school systems adopted a curriculum that doesn't teach kids how to read. They are more like mimicking literacy. It gives appearances they they are reading but they aren't comprehending.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 22 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Can we fix that by abolishing the department of education?
It's only gonna get worse, isn't it?

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[–] guyoverthere123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] MangioneDontMiss@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago

get out into the low income areas. if you spend a lot of time there, you'd probably be surprised to know the reading level is as high as it is.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 45 points 3 days ago

In case you were wondering why we're losing our democracy to a felon rapist.

[–] nope@jlai.lu 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] khannie@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago (7 children)

For us foreigners, 6th grade is around 10 / 11 years old?

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago

Yes, about. Ten years is peak reading for most Americans. And we wonder why they f-ck up the world.

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[–] BioDriver@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

And 21% of American adults are illiterate

[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yeah, we’ve noticed. Not that Europe is far behind I fear.

Literacy is definitely declining; people just don’t have the attention spans they used to. Between Twitter, TikTok and other brain rot, reading a book or simply a longer text just isn’t something a lot of people do.

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[–] frezik@midwest.social 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Honestly, people make more of this than it is. I say that as someone whoes reading level in the 8th grade was rated "post-High School" in tests. Though IIRC, that particular test wasn't considered accurate past a 10th grade reading level or so. Suffice it to say, though, I was always rated at least a few grade levels higher than my actual grade level when it comes to reading.

If you pick up examples of post-High School writing, you'll find it's hard to read. Basically, check any abstract on a paper for a technical field. It'll be full of field-specific jargon and long sentences. Copy and paste it into a writing assistant like Hemmingway, and it will scream at you to simplify the sentence structure.

Converting to terms of Lexile level, Fellowship of the Ring has a rating of 860L. By a conversion chart, we would expect 50% of students to be able to read it by the spring of 4th grade. Even the bottom 10% of students can read it by the beginning of 10th grade.

That's a relatively hard book; harder than what most fiction asks of you. Of Mice and Men, which is on plenty of High School reading lists, only has a Lexile level of 630L. Conversely, Romeo and Juliet can go up to 1260L (though this varies depending on the editing of different editions).

[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 53 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Which means 54% cannot write a competent book report hitting the major plots and themes.

[–] Master167@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

And forget about picking up on allegories.

Lord of the Rings is a story about a long hike gone wrong. It has nothing to do with East/West dynamics, the question of power, masculinity, or the simple things of life.

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

Well, reading and writing is a 6 millenia old technology, thus it's in dire need of replacement with AI readers /s

[–] Wilco@lemm.ee 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yep, going to report this. It's not a meme .. it is actually fact and documentation for our eventual Idiocracy future.

Just kidding about the report of course.

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[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What does "6th graders" mean? After 6 years of total education, i.e. at age 12; or 6 years of high school, at age 16?

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Around age 12. Graduation from High School is at 12th grade in the USA.

[–] twinnie@feddit.uk 40 points 3 days ago (11 children)

Is this real? And what’s 6th grade for someone who isn’t American?

[–] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 56 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Around 12 years old or so. I've been hearing something similar to this my whole life. I didn't understand how true it was until I started recruiting in 2009.

Not that it started with Bush, but after 'No Child Left Behind' act schools were incentivized so pass all students. They tied school funding to graduation rates and passing students. Teachers taught more just to the test and not comprehending the material.

I'm sure it's gotten worse COVID.

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[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 36 points 3 days ago (4 children)

It took thirty years of cutting education spending but they are almost to a fully ignorant populace.

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