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    [โ€“] f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@sopuli.xyz 11 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

    I saw one Microsoft help page in which the customer service agent recommended to cut power to the PC during the Windows 8 or 10 boot process, three times! After three failed boots, newer Windows will bring up the UEFI boot options dialog.

    My Sharp PC-7000 has a Setup key on the keyboard.

    [โ€“] F04118F@feddit.nl 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

    Oh my god, it exists. An Enter key large enough to please both ANSI and ISO fans.

    [โ€“] tiramichu@lemm.ee 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

    In the mechanical keyboard community this even-larger-than-ISO-enter size is generally referred to, quite affectionately, as the "bigass" enter.

    yeh.... this works 100% if you are single booting Linux. As soon as Windows enter the equation, things get fucked up because of stupid Windows update. Say you have an update and it fails to install because the message "Windows is wotking on updates. Don't turn off the PC. This will take a while" appears for like 6 hrs. Try to press F2/Del to enter Bios? Tough luck, I smashed the shit out of those keys and still... booted straight into Windows.

    You then need to go do some convoluted shits like the Shift + Restart combo to go the Diagnostic screen and restart into Setup page (the Bios).

    [โ€“] tal@lemmy.today 28 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

    On my system, I can just run

    $ sudo systemctl reboot --firmware-setup
    

    And it'll take the system to the BIOS.

    From the systemctl(1) man page:

       --firmware-setup
           When used with the reboot, poweroff, or halt
           command, indicate to the system's firmware to
           reboot into the firmware setup interface for the
           next boot. Note that this functionality is not
           available on all systems.
    
           Added in version 220.
    
       --boot-loader-menu=timeout
           When used with the reboot, poweroff, or halt
           command, indicate to the system's boot loader to
           show the boot loader menu on the following boot.
           Takes a time value as parameter โ€” indicating the
           menu timeout. Pass zero in order to disable the
           menu timeout. Note that not all boot loaders
           support this functionality.
    
           Added in version 242.
    [โ€“] notthebees@reddthat.com 13 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

    But that requires me to boot into an os first. I do use it but if it's off then it feels redundant.

    [โ€“] meekah@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

    Might still be useful for when you configured fast booting on your hardware. Stuff like that usually doesn't leave enough time for you to manually hit the hotkey during boot.

    [โ€“] notthebees@reddthat.com 1 points 1 hour ago

    Usually I just hold down the esc key when I start my PC. I have an nvme ssd in mine and it boots quick.

    [โ€“] svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

    Is there anything systemd can't do?!

    [โ€“] felsiq@lemmy.zip 8 points 6 hours ago

    It canโ€™t make gentoo users like it ๐Ÿ˜ญ

    [โ€“] notthebees@reddthat.com 6 points 8 hours ago

    I'd like to talk about the secret third option, escape.

    [โ€“] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 68 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

    I've been buying Gigabyte and pressing "DEL" since 1998.

    It's insane that there is no accepted UX standard for this.

    [โ€“] Bezier@suppo.fi 41 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

    The keys should be standard and work if just held down.

    [โ€“] groet@feddit.org 12 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

    I dont know enough about electronics to say for certain but I think Holding down the key doesn't work from a technical standpoint. If you press it down before the relevant stage of the boot process is running there might not actually run any code to even detect the key press. And holding down a key doesn't continuously send new keypresses. Only "key down" and "key released".

    But 100% agree on the standardised key. And it should be something that ia on every keyboard and not behind an alternative funktion! No alt/shift/fn. Just make it enter or something!

    [โ€“] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 9 points 13 hours ago

    If you press it down before the relevant stage of the boot process is running there might not actually run any code to even detect the key press.

    I think I have seen it work on several machines, but stopped doing it because often it does not

    [โ€“] lagoon8622@sh.itjust.works 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

    Keyboards don't run like that. The keyboard itself does not know when a key is pressed. They poll the keys and send a message when they find one that is depressed

    [โ€“] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
    [โ€“] Bezier@suppo.fi 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

    PS2 is hardly used in consumer products these days.

    [โ€“] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

    aren't most internal laptop keyboards ps2?

    [โ€“] Bezier@suppo.fi 3 points 6 hours ago

    That's actually a good point. I don't know. I only know of one example, where I it was USB.

    [โ€“] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 hours ago

    yep, on ps2 keyboards this is the case

    [โ€“] dabster291@lemmy.zip 0 points 12 hours ago

    Actually, holding down the key does work!

    [โ€“] dabster291@lemmy.zip 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

    work if just held down

    They do!

    [โ€“] Bezier@suppo.fi 15 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
    [โ€“] dabster291@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 hours ago

    Wait, what brands don't support holding down the key? /gen

    [โ€“] MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world 9 points 10 hours ago

    Me pressing Del like Im Rowan Atkinson at the 2012 Olympics

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwzjlmBLfrQ

    [โ€“] Goretantath@lemm.ee 1 points 6 hours ago

    Can't you just hold f2 and it works the same as mashing it now?

    [โ€“] RejZoR@lemmy.ml 39 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

    With sequel "The Escape or F12โ€œ coming to theaters Fall 2025.

    [โ€“] jaybone@lemmy.zip 24 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

    I have one that uses f8.

    Would have been nice if they could have standardized this like 30 years ago. Or at least just label the key.

    On unfamiliar machines, I just faceroll over the function keys hoping to hit the right one..

    [โ€“] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 9 hours ago

    ALL the keys, not just BIOS. PXE, hardware test, all of it. And a button to pause at the screen listing them all.

    [โ€“] VitabytesDev@feddit.nl 2 points 9 hours ago

    Thinkpads use Enter for some reason. My laptop uses Escape.

    [โ€“] Sorse@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 13 hours ago

    Mine uses F8 for the boot picker

    Plot twist: It was INS the whole time.

    [โ€“] Matriks404@lemmy.world 13 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

    Why can't they make a universal freakin' dedicated button to enter UEFI?

    [โ€“] iSeth@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 hours ago

    Lenovos have those, but it's not very obvious.

    [โ€“] el_bhm@lemm.ee 7 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

    Best I can do is an Alexa button.

    [โ€“] Empricorn@feddit.nl 3 points 10 hours ago

    ๐Ÿคฎ

    [โ€“] lnxtx@feddit.nl 12 points 14 hours ago

    Me pressing F1, F2, DEL, Enter, ... to be sure.

    [โ€“] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 12 points 15 hours ago

    FU Dell BIOS and your F11 b/s.

    [โ€“] egonallanon@lemm.ee 7 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

    You know you can just hold the button down right?

    [โ€“] GiveOver@feddit.uk 4 points 6 hours ago

    Right, I've been waiting for somebody to say this. You come in here with your smarmy attitude "you can just hold it down you know ๐Ÿ˜". How many computers have you tried this on? I've tried it on one. Once. And it didn't work. I looked like a FOOL because I trusted some idiot on the internet. So fuck you I'm not doing it again. I'm going to repeatedly smash F2 and Del and maybe F12. Like God intended.

    [โ€“] f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@sopuli.xyz 3 points 7 hours ago

    Sometimes this works. Sometimes it makes the PC speaker beep for two minutes straight while it slowly makes its way through the keyboard buffer.

    [โ€“] Matriks404@lemmy.world 22 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

    Sometimes it doesn't work though. If you start to hold the enter-the-uefi-setup button too early it might not do anything. And mashing the keys sometimes don't work either.

    This shit gives me headaches sometimes. ESPECIALLY WHEN FUCKING WINDOWS STARTS TO BOOT UP.

    [โ€“] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago

    This Trick took better timing and more skill than all the rest of the movies combined.

    [โ€“] Blackjeans9@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago

    F in chat for family