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[–] GooberEar@lemmy.wtf 6 points 3 hours ago

Disagree if you want, but I've felt this way and have been saying some variation of this (but perhaps not as eloquently) pretty much since November of 2024.

Granted, in the immediate wake of the election, even I didn't think things would be this way, at least not so soon. As soon as he took office, anybody with half a brain cell could see, first-hand sans conjecture, just how much of a disaster we were in for. I was like, at this stage, we're going to have to root for the hamberders to do their thing and in the mean time we're going to have to turn the other cheek and accept those Trump voters who come to regret their vote. If there are enough of them, and they genuinely see an apology as a path out of the cult, there's a better chance of turning things around.

[–] Jikiya@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

Shouldn't be turning people away that are apologetic, but don't think the path to victory lies there. All the people that are sitting out elections are the ones that should be targeted. So few of eligible voters are actually doing so.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

A University of Massachusetts-Amherst poll of 1,000 people from early April found that just 2% of Trump voters say they regret their choice and wish they had voted differently.

Jesus Christ...

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

Just wait for the store shelves to empty this month. That number will go up.

[–] aceshigh@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I wonder if that 2% was because they were directly impacted by him. Additionally, I assume most haven’t changed their minds because they came in knowing that there would be hard times ahead.

With that said, I live in a very r area and have been keeping tabs on the flags. My grocery store started selling us flags last month and now there are new houses with flags. They didn’t have them up at all before.

[–] Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

Appologetic is the key word. There needs to be accountability, not even for a sake of justice or anything, but just due to the fact that they need to have learned a lesson to be an ally of the cause, and not just an eventual traitor.

[–] aceshigh@lemmy.world 7 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

That’s fantastic. This encourages taking personal responsibility over their action. I think it’s important to allow people to learn and grow, without the shame. Shame keeps people locked into their false beliefs. The more apologetics we have, the faster change will come. With that said, don’t forget these people. They still have fucked up beleifs.

[–] SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

I agree.

I feel that on our end, it's going to be more important than ever that it's not just what we say but how we say it that will actually change how those who voted for Trump will feel.
People are capable of self reflection, but if you don't believe it then you're helping them to have no shot at it.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 6 points 5 hours ago

I think there's a difference between someone who voted trump and realized they fucked up in a like deep , systemic, way, and someone who doesn't like this specific implemention of right wing stuff.

Like, if they regret trump but keep voting R, that's not good.

[–] Septimaeus@infosec.pub 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Yet another reason y’all really shouldn’t go doxxing and murdering working class voters: missing the Purple Wave.

Edit: remove named user (community rule)

[–] StonerCowboy@lemm.ee 11 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Yall maybe forgiving but not i any and all Trump voters are traitors. Because you cannot stand there and listen to this man commit sedition

Say shit like "i have a concept of a plan"

And still slap knee "gosh darn it that is the man I must vote for president what a patriot!"

Fuck that. Cowards all of them. Every single one in gov. And every single voter.

Remember the women who slept with Nazis and after the war? That's Trump supporters.

[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 2 points 8 hours ago

Just don't say you used to support the guy and do your part to try to get him legally out of the whitehouse along with his admin buddies.

[–] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 27 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

That's the right thing to do. Making it easy for people to accept that they were wrong makes it much easier to pull support from the opposing party. If you constantly ridicule, mock or insult them, they are much more likely to stick with their opinion simply because they do not want to accept that you were right.

A vast majority on lemmy should learn this aswell.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I feel like this is a deep flaw in humanity. That most people would rather continue eating literal shit than admit they were wrong.

[–] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Many people would be willing to admit that they're wrong, however, if the "opposing" side is constantly mockign and ridiculing you, yeah, I can see why people don't want to admit that.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 2 points 4 hours ago

I wonder what sort of studies have been done on this. I found a few with a quick search about admitting being wrong- IT seems to correlate with humility like you would expect. Also admitting fault also sometimes makes people like you more, contrary to the belief that people will think you suck if you admit fault. Though maybe not for politicians, oddly.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 17 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (7 children)

A vast majority on lemmy should learn this aswell.

from what i’ve seen, yes people are angry but people are willing to accept apologies that aren’t based entirely in leopards eating faces… you don’t get a pass for your shitty ignorant behaviour just because that behaviour comes to bite you in the ass

you get to apologise and have it accepted if you’ve seen the harm that’s been done to other people and are genuinely remorseful

[–] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 14 points 9 hours ago (9 children)

Getting apologies would be nice, but it starts with acceptance. Right now, if a Trump voter can accept that they messed up or were led astray, and they can be convinced to join the resistance, that's all I care about. I care less about hearing an "I'm sorry" than I do about having more people on the streets today - actions speak louder than words, and to turn down someone who's joined our side over something as petty as "Have you apologized yet?" would do little more than push people away.

We need a united front right now, and just as former Trump voters have to suck up the bad feelings of having contributed to this mess, we have to hold off on purity-testing our fellow protesters and accept that to fight the oligarchs, it takes all of us, regardless of our feelings toward each other.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 1 points 4 hours ago

(i feel like i do need to start flagging that im an australian citizen, living in australia so this… kinda ain’t my place… but also, over the last 70 years the US has made it the worlds place without giving us much of a choice… point being, providing external POV without actually having intimate knowledge of culture etc etc)

i can agree with that: deal with the problem at hand… but what happens in 4 years time? let’s assume that the US doesn’t descent into complete dictatorship for an indeterminate amount of time (because if so any discussion is irrelevant)… what do you do then? you’ve won: do you live and let live? or what if MAGA tries to stay in power and causes a violent conflict? from what i understand, a lot of the current situation is buoyed because you allowed the confederates to maintain their identity during reconstruction

if the democrats get voted in in 4 years, the problem isn’t gone: the same people that voted trump didn’t suddenly gain a new found empathy for their fellow man… do you let it slide because the current crisis is dealt with and through a combination of luck and incompetence it somehow worked out?

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[–] aidan@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

A vast majority on lemmy should learn this aswell.

The vindictiveness and hate for anyone who slightly disagrees by some on here is only matched by Reddit users. It makes sense I guess

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Hope the feral and heavily armed ones turn on him

[–] untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 116 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (12 children)

not hating misled trump voters is actually a really good idea and more people need to try it

not saying that the actually insane ones arent worth hating, but some people are just maga bc everyone they know is

[–] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

What should we do with the ones who voted to hurt others but now want to change sides because they're being hurt too? Should we ignore the very likely possibility they'll jump right back to the other side when the Republicans backpedal just enough to no longer look so blatantly shameless? Let them turn against Trump on their own, I just want to keep my distance from these people before they likely disappoint us in the next election cycle.

[–] PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 7 hours ago

"There's an old saying in Tennessee—I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee—that says, 'Fool me once, shame on...shame on you.' Fool me—you can't get fooled again."

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[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 21 points 15 hours ago

Too bad I don't know any that stop drinking the kool-aid (flavor aid), they still think that hurting liberals makes hurting conservatives worth it.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago

And when these trump voters vote for republicans again, democrats will blame the left. Again.

[–] AntelopeRoom@lemm.ee 18 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

As much as it's fun to say fuck you I told you so, you catch more flies with honey. We need to make it easy to leave the cult and not make people double down just because they feel ashamed or feel like they have to defend something. The goal, while enticing, is not to rub people's nose in the shit they admittedly helped create. The goal should be to get rid of this motherfucker and reverse everything he's done.

[–] zaphodb2002@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 hours ago

I agree with you but put out some honey next to some balsamic vinegar sometime and see which one pulls more flies.

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 hours ago

So you still believe voting can fix this?

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