Can someone hack this "bloc" and release all their private chats? Like, work and personal, conversations about their giant hemorrhoids and all.
this post was submitted on 02 Apr 2025
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It is a big difference to confuse the lack of privacy when an gov can access userdata in the case of an court order with the lack of privacy when private companies can spread and sell userdata. The difference is the right of the user to access and delete his data, which exists by law in the EU, but not in the USA. The EU is far from perfect, but lightyears better in questions of privacy
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No, it's not even close to one of the greatest threats. Of course it's up to shady s***, of that there can be no doubt, but it's not ranked in the top five.
Classic baitclick.
If anyone were really worried about privacy, all internet related companies would be in bankruptcy. Apple? Meta? Google? SnapChat? Reddit? You name it, their whole purpose is collecting the personal data of their users.
The title is missing a second part: "after China, the US, Russia, the UK, etc.".
I get that privacy is potentially in danger if chatcontrol passes (ie. it's not right now) and that to raise awareness is worthwhile, but misrepresenting one of the best places privacy-wise as "one of the greatest threats" is just dishonest.
The EU is interesting because there is the GDPR that has good data privacy protection but then they keep bringing up chat control which completely undermines privacy
"They" being some proponents starting with Ylva Johansson, but it's also true that they have never had a majority to actually make chat control happen. They keep trying, but "they" are not the EU as a whole.
Because they support limited privacy from corporations, but zero privacy from government. The neoliberals don’t consider that a double standard.
No, those countries are not enshrining in law the requirement for backdoors to serve your own government, for which you’ll be required to comply.
None of those countries are trying to dismantle encryption entirely so no, I disagree.
Well, the UK sure is trying, and the US was also thinking about it (never got to law-making at least)
EU has the best privacy laws, only behind Switzerland.
They will not be close to the greatest threat, but it will still be a step back.
Also, these are proposals that has not been voted in ever before. So be sure to vote for politicians that wont, so we can keep it that way.
Privacy from whom? Privacy from corporations means nothing if you have zero privacy from a neoliberal corporate government.
Right. Let's start by the right to privacy written in the constitution. A constitution is not for companies/corporations/enterprises/zaibatsus/gafam/moral entities.
True, but most of the Europeans dont have those governments.
Which of them are blocking EU attempts to mandate government backdoors?
https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/
He put the ones who didnt vote 'in favour', that's why it didnt pass.
But you can see who's directly opposing.
I'm sorry, what now?
There is no place on this earth with better privacy protection laws
Yeah, it's still far from perfect but to call ot the greatest threat is just disingenuous, it's a lie. It's shouting FIRE in a movie theater because someone smokes. Stop doing this shit
Accidental self-own admitting to everyone you haven’t been paying attention to the EU’s aggressive software backdoor agenda.
If you don’t have privacy from the government, you don’t have privacy.
Can you point to a specific law that the EU has passed in this direction?
Cos according to the article all attempts to pass something like this that have been presented in the EU have been blocked. By the EU.
An alternative title could have been: "EU Possibly The Only One Who Has Been Explicitly Rejecting Backdoor Mandates Until Now"
Sure, proposals keep being presented.. but I feel it's kind of a bit early to call the EU "greatest threat" just because yet another attempt has been made. Specially when you compare it with many other places where they apply things like this without batting an eye.
I'm not saying we (Europeans) shouldn't push (yet again) to make sure this also fails... but the title of the article is a bit misplaced, and after a history of successful rejections I feel a lot more optimistic.
If you don’t have privacy from the government, you don’t have privacy.
Privacy refers to more than just privacy regarding the government.
Your threat model and situation might mean that if the government knows something, its as bad as if every single person knows it.
But this isn't for everyone.
If you are a human being living under the control of a government, the government is absolutely a threat to you.
Yes, in an dictatorship where the gov have always access to your data and activity, but in the EU they need for it an court order to access the data from an individual. Meanwhile US companies like Google, are even reading your mail.
...the government is absolutely a threat to you.
I don't see how this supports your previous claim of: "If you don’t have privacy from the government, you don’t have privacy."
in other news: big tech oligarchy takes aim at EU privacy laws.
Through Sweden. If they want to pass this, they can commit Swexit.
Literally no other country (including Germany, which wanted to be in the Five Eyes) has ever proposed this.
Both are true
Non sensationalist broligarch funded shitrag version.
"Broligarch"
Sadly not my coinage, I stole it from someone. :)
That's OK. In this context theft is art.
When does this stupid joke of a EU law end....
Never probably, these are law proposals.
They have never been voted in, as the majority of EU doesnt want them.
So makes sure to vote in politicans that wont, so we can keep it that way.
I hope that the current insufferability of US realities will help shed this law from our fates
In a world where the Great Firewall and the Five Eyes exist? Sure buddy
You always have to balance it with law enforcement. Being at the mercy of criminals, life savings stolen by scammers, etc is not freedom.