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A federal judge criticized a Trump administration Justice Department lawyer who claimed they didn't have to follow the judge's oral order blocking deportations to El Salvador because it wasn't in writing.

Judge Boasberg questioned why the administration ignored his directive to return immigrants to the US. The DOJ lawyer repeatedly refused to provide information about the deportations, citing "national security concerns."

Frustrated, Boasberg ordered sworn declarations explaining what happened, quipping that he would issue a written order "since apparently my verbal orders don't seem to carry much weight."

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[–] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Did he suffer any serious consequences, No, then why the fuck wouldn't he disregard it and will continue to do so in the future. Why are people in power in this country either evil and inept or simply inept against the evil ones

[–] tacobellhop@midwest.social 1 points 9 hours ago

Lay out the alternative for us.

[–] Montreal_Metro@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 hours ago

US is fucked. Nobody in US cares anymore, because if they did they'd be out on the streets by the millions.

[–] thisphuckinguy@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

Chicken shit judge

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 2 points 9 hours ago

A strongly worded email is the best they could do?

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Oh snap he GRILLED him!?!? Damn! Trump is going down!!! #RESIST

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[–] Tiger666@lemmy.ca 4 points 21 hours ago
[–] stopforgettingit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

'You felt you could disregard it?'

Narrator: He did.

[–] quack@lemmy.zip 6 points 21 hours ago

Are we still pretending this matters anymore?

[–] ansiz@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Correct me if I'm wrong but what could the judge even do to these DoJ staff? Throw them in jail for a few days? Trump would just pardon them, wouldn't he?

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 9 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Public/private reprimand is the first step I think. The judge could also probably suspend their license, or possibly influence their getting disbarred if the lawyer fucks up enough. Probably couldn't throw them in jail unless they were accused of a crime, but that would only be pardonable if it was a federal crime.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I’m sure they’ll cry “partisanship”, but put them in jail if relevant. I imagine at least some will be dissuaded by charges and prison even if they can count on a pardon. At least some will be kept out of politics after our four years of hell, even if they can count on a pardon. Even in the very worst case scenario where they get away with everything, legitimate charges will help cement the legacy as the most corrupt president ever.

[–] Botunda@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

I’m sure they’ll cry “partisanship

They already are.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Frustrated, Boasberg ordered sworn declarations explaining what happened, quipping that he would issue a written order "since apparently my verbal orders don't seem to carry much weight."

Written orders probably won't carry any weight either since he probably can't read even if he attempted to.

I'm waiting for people to connect the dots around my town. People's rights begin with legislation and end with judicial decision. Being that the bill of rights is being overridden by the executive branch right now, judges have said so and the executive branch is saying they don't care, it is fairly obvious the bill of rights no longer matters. So pick any amendment you like from the bill or rights, free speech, free press... Right the bear arms. Yup, gone. The conservatives nullified the right to bear arms and is cheering for it. By the time they think they should speak out about it, well they'll maybe realize they already cheered for the loss of their freedom of speech. Oops

[–] collapse_already@lemmy.ml 50 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Show cause why I shouldn't throw your ass in the klink. That's what happens to the rest of us if we ignore a court order.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 21 points 1 day ago (16 children)

He can’t be charged with a crime while in office or for anything he does in office. So, that’s why.

[–] melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (3 children)

so arrest everyone in the department that did it. EVERYONE. secretary of [thing], and everyone who might have so much as seen the command moving down the chain.

that's what a law that wasn't just an excuse to punish poor people would do.

or just fucking arrest him anyway, fuck it, if laws don't mean things, laws don't mean things. that includes his special protection.

but again, that would require the point of the law to be something other than punishing the poor.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 12 points 1 day ago (11 children)

I don’t disagree with you, but I think we both know how this will play out. Get ready to hide in the attic.

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[–] phx@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And the "just following orders" folks?

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 79 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He shouldn't be letting those attorneys leave the courtroom free men. Hold them in contempt and issue bench warrants for administration officials and anyone carrying out these illegal orders.

[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 54 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is the only correct response, any other response means that the federal government does not in practice have checks and balances

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 39 points 1 day ago

It also forces Trump's hand. Either publicly reveal, right now that he is an all-out dictator instead of slow-rolling it, or fold and lose any momentum he has.

If a violent revolution is needed to take him down, the sooner everyone knows about it, the better.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

So just to be clear, this is within the domain of “constitutional crisis” that the vast majority of Americans who graduated from high school will have certainly been taught about at some point. But precisely zero major news networks or newspapers are calling it as such.

Evidently a comically dismaying proportion of us unitedstatesians need to be told when our own fucking house is on fire. And even then, 30ish% of us will deny it as the flesh melts off their own bones.

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 217 points 1 day ago (22 children)

Throw. That. Lawyer. In. PRISON. There may be no way to enforce the law on Trump himself, but make lawyers afraid to do his dirty work.

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[–] Zzyzx@lemmy.blahaj.zone 78 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The US is in a constitutional crisis with situations like this, and so many people just don't seem to care or want to acknowledge that it's at that point.

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[–] foggy@lemmy.world 173 points 1 day ago

He didn't feel he could disregard it.

He successfully disregarded it.

[–] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 49 points 1 day ago (3 children)

A federal judge criticized a Trump administration Justice Department lawyer

If this is the only consequence of having done it- I’d say they didn’t think they could, they knew they could.

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[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 75 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

'You felt you could disregard it?'

Well, given that they disregarded it and are now standing before you arguing that they had the right to disregard it, I think it's safe to say that yes, they felt they could disregard it. And given that the migrants were deported anyway, your orders were not only completely ignored, but were also being openly mocked on Twitter by Marco Rubio, and they will receive no punishment for doing so, I think it's safe to say that they were right.

Frustrated, Boasberg ordered sworn declarations explaining what happened, quipping that he would issue a written order “since apparently my verbal orders don’t seem to carry much weight.”

He's about to find out that his written orders carry even less. Remember, the Supreme Court ruled that he can't even be questioned about official acts, much less investigated. Trump could go on his Twitter knock-off tomorrow and tell this guy to go fuck himself with a chainsaw and there's fuck-all this judge can do about it.

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[–] NimdaQA@lemmy.world 115 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

His written orders won’t do anything either. Who knew the constitution can be so easily ripped to shreds by simply ignoring it.

[–] arrow74@lemm.ee 64 points 1 day ago

This should have been fixed in the 1800s when Andrew Jackson defied the Supreme Court, but it was ignored and here we are

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 67 points 1 day ago (13 children)

They feel that they can ignore it because they can ignore it. Stop letting them!

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[–] Nougat@fedia.io 86 points 1 day ago (1 children)

☒ Soap box ☒ Ballot box ☒ Jury box ☐ Ammo box

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[–] Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 39 points 1 day ago (10 children)

So what is the judge going to do? Admonish them?

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

At the end of Inglorious Basterds, Aldo Raines has his man kill Hans Landa's assistant. Landa screams "You'll be shot for that!" and Aldo says:

"Shot? I don't think so, more like chewed out. I been chewed out before."

During the first administration KellyAnne "SkankySkag" Conway received numerous fines for her near constant violations of the Hatch Act, eventually reaching $100,000, which she never paid. When asked about it, she casually dismissed it, saying "Let me know when they start talking about jail time."

Things like censure, polls, stern warnings, appeals to morality, etc. Mean less than nothing to these traitors. They are determined to destroy America, and nothing less than harsh imprisonment will get through to them. If we get through this, we need to viciously purge MAGA from society and prohibit it's existence.

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[–] AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Judge Boasberg does have one other card he can play, according to FRCJ Rule 4.1(b). If the US Marshal service is unable or unwilling to carry out a federal court order, the Judge who issued the order can deputize individuals to carry it out.

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