Fediverse

The userbase here is quite technical so there are many of you able to contribute.

As a project manager, I can help by ballooning the scope and setting the deadline to yesterday! Doing my part!

I'm doing my small part.

Went from 100% lurker on Reddit to regularly active lemmy commenter

Hey if an old guy like me can figure it out its not hard .

I don't really agree that it's much easier to start on Reddit. Especially nowadays.

-Post from an IP that was once used by a banned account? Also banned (after first being shadowbanned)

-Try to post in any niche sub of your choosing after making an account? Forget it, wait three weeks and farm 3K karma first (which encourages shitposting and reposting, lowering quality)

-Deviate a fraction of an inch from whatever sub's 500-page rulebook? Banned.

-Try to argue an unbanning? That's a permanent mute.

-Post anything - and I do mean anything - in a "wrong" sub, get immediately permabanned by a slew of subs you didn't even know existed.

-Some mod doesn't agree with something you posted? Even if it was 5 years ago in a sub that has since been deleted? Banned and muted.

Reddit is an absolutely terrible experience for new posters. How they even manage to retain a tenth of them is beyond me. I encourage them to keep it up however, more traffic for Lemmy.

I'm the OP of one of the posts that blew up about UX.

This is great news, I will look into building something like join-lemmy/onboarding that could guide users, or improving join-lemmy

FWIW, I think the design and layout of lemmy is superb. Way better than reddit, old and new.

You guys made a lot of good decisions.

Also remember to be nice. I see heated arguments regressing into ad hominems by the third comment pretty regularly. We can be better than Reddit

"Which server do I join?" seems to be a sticking point for a lot of people.

The "Browse servers" page does say at the top "You can access all content in the lemmyverse from any server, so it doesn't matter which one you choose", but on showing this page you immediately scroll that message off the screen. Maybe if you kept that bit visible it would help.

Also I think comparing it with email servers might be helpful. People already know they can email anyone from any email server, and that signing up to, say, Posteo, doesn't mean you can only email other Posteo users.

The great thing about Lemmy is that it is an open source project and you can tweak the UI yourself if you have a bit of HTML and CSS knowledge. Do not be put off by fancy words like Bootstrap, Inferno, Tailwind, many are just HTML, CSS, or Javascript under the hood.

If anyone on here is looking for a more a more accessible Lemmy theme, I helped make one recently for the instance RBlind: RBlind Lemmy Themes (Codeberg repo). I made detailed documentation as well which could be helpful for theme developers or for those interested in helping improve Lemmy's accessibility.

Since making the theme, I've been making some pull requests (PRs) with lemmy-ui and lemmy-docs to try improve the UI and docs based on some of the things I saw while developing the theme. I hadn't done anything involving PRs before but the Lemmy team dessalines and nutomic and other contributors have been very receptive so far and offering helpful suggestions. The changes are small but every bit counts, and when they trickle down to all users I am hoping it'll be a positive change for many users.

Good post

Also, !fedibridge@lemmy.dbzer0.com for people who want to help promoting Lemmy Mbin Piefed

I don't have much to say, but thank you for working on lemmy all these years.

I can complain about it a lot sometimes, but I'm very grateful for both the communities and the developers that kickstarted the fediverse, and for free too! So, thank you ❤️

If you or other people want to discuss the development of fedisoftware for beginners, or just growing as a whole you and everyone else are more than welcome at !fedibridge@lemmy.dbzer0.com!

I can confirm. These guys are very open to pull requests that improve the platform.

All this said, there have also been some suggestions to make onboarding easier by directing new users to a hardcoded default instance. This may sound like a good idea at first but won't work well in practice. Running such an instance would take significant time for administration and moderation, but we maintainers are already too busy. Besides it would be impossible to reach an agreement who this default instance should federate with or how exactly it should be moderated. So if you want to get nontechnical users to Lemmy, the solution is to link them directly to a specific instance based on their interests.

Wholeheartedly agree with this. Also people should get use to taking responsibility for their online experiences. Corporations have made people stupid to the point they reject autonomy.

I have nothing to add except I hope you're still enjoying Lord of the Rings.

This might be an unpopular opinion, but I think the effort to make joining Lemmy easier has some downsides. One of the nicest things about these communities is how easy it is to have good conversations with internet strangers. I’ve grown to appreciate and hope for Lemmy not trying to be a Reddit replacement. In fact, I’m totally fine with “the masses” staying in Spez’s data harvesting machine. If, one day, Lemmy gets as popular as Reddit, I think it will inevitably have many of the same problems. It just theoretically won’t be selling your data for profit (one hopes, anyway). My wife isn’t super-techy, and I explained the concept of Lemmy to my wife in about 10 minutes. She set up an account in about 5.

To me, it’s not that using or joining Lemmy is hard. It’s that a lot of people have come to loathe change. They’re told that Lemmy is “like Reddit,” so why leave Reddit, all their accumulated Internet points, and their familiar communities/echo chambers? Pretty much all of them also use other data-harvesting social media sites, so they mostly don’t care about that aspect. When I tell my friends about Lemmy I talk about how the size of the communities is really conducive to good conversations from wide enough ranges of opinions and experiences, compared to Reddit’s too much of everything including trolls.

My proposal have been a little more complicated, but IMO works well for a BFU:

• create some set of rules for "default instances" - every instance that wants to be in the list must follow them and will be periodically checked
  • I don't have any particular rules in mind, but some examples might include active moderation team, obviously registrations being open and if you really want to make it easy, either no application question or having it automatically approved by an automod of some kind
• on join-lemmy, present a registration form that will create an account on a randomly selected instance from the pool and redirect there afterwards
• there should be a link somewhere for "experts" where you could link to the current wizard

I'm willing to work on this if we can sit down and agree on the criteria for the pool. I can also ask my UX guy to help a little.

Feel free to text me here or on Matrix if this is something you think is worth pursuing. I'd also appreciate if you let me know it's not the direction you want to go in.

I don't think that Reddit is so much better. The interface at the moment is full of ads that make i confusing. The only thing is the community search that is a bit cumbersome, but this is due to federation, and understood. On the other hand the federation with Mastodon/Friendica/whatever is super-powerful, hand honestly enjoyable

Thank you for all your work

As someone who is "stuck" here after being permabanned on all accounts on reddit I can say that the number one "issue" Lemmy has is also the greatest part about Lemmy. The fact that every instance can have its own copy of the "same" sub.

I completely understand why someone coming from reddit is going to search up "ask" and they will see a few ask Lemmy subs coming up. At a glance they won't know which one is "better" and why there are multiple.

Sadly most people will turn around and leave at that point. The average internet user will just go somewhere else the moment they feel lost or confused by anything. The few that might stick through it and make a post asking why there are multiple instances of the same type of sub are likely to be spoken down to by a bunch of condescending nerds that feel superior to outsider idiots. I know that many of you are very kind and welcoming, but enough of the user base are elitist pricks about everything that new users will notice immediately.

Lemmy can't seem to decide if they want to grow or if they want to gate keep. I think the reality is that as more people are blanket banned from reddit without any reason such as myself that people will keep slowly trickling in.

The only "change" I think Lemmy needs is its user feedback. I have been banned from so many subs for completely unrelated things and without going and looking up the mod logs for my own name I wouldnt have any clue whatsoever. I would just think that Lemmy was broken constantly since it just gives you submitting errors instead of telling you that you have been banned or anything.

The "automod" messages are basically useless as they don't tell you what rule you broke, which comment it was specifically or who actually initiated the ban. I know they aren't always actually "automatic" bans because I have gotten messages from automod for comments I left weeks ago. So either they are the slowest and least attentive bots on planet earth or the mods of those subs are using the automod to hide behind as a layer of anonymity.

Let's all be clear, Reddit is part of the surveillance state.

You can't log in without Google and Apple trackers being allowed. New Reddit has recapcha trackers on every page. Only old.reddit doesn't track what you see, just what you write.

Your thoughts and content belong to a publicly traded company focused on profits if you use reddit.

Easier

If choosing a server and signing up is too "hard" for someone, then I'd rather they stay on Reddit.

Can Lemmy benefit from your suggestions, definitely. But the easy vs hard structure to these types of conversations feel a lot like the shopping cart dilemma.