https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perverse_incentive
This is the name for the concept which many commenters are describing
this post was submitted on 14 Jan 2025
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You can breed cobras but you can't breed guns.
You can manufacture them with a lathe and CnC machine, and thats if you want quality. There are some rather terrifying Sten and Grease gun "replicas" in my area which you shouldnt shoot under any circumstances because they were manufactured in a shed by a half crazed Redneck and/or veteran back in the 90s.
In some places I heard they make AK47 clones in village workshops
When my old man was little the local tobacco company would give you 50 penni for every rat tail you brought in.
It didn't take long for some kid to realise the best source of rat tails was the dumpster behind the tobacco factory.
Step 1. Buy ~$500 AR15
Step 2. Sell said AR15 for $1300 to the government
Step 3. Buy 2 ~$500 PSA AR15s
Step 4. Sell them to the government for $2600
...
Step11. Buy 32 ~$500 AR15s
Step 12. Sell them to the government for $41600
...
Step 25. Buy 16,384 ~$500 AR15s
Step 26. Sell them to the government for $21.3M
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Step 39. Buy 2,097,152 ~$500 AR15s
Step 40. Sell them to the government for $2.7B
...
Continue until Mexico has run out of money
Calm down, Mr. Soros
You always hear about these programs creating the wrong incentives. Soon enough, it’s easier to set up an AR15 factory and just start producing them so you can sell them to the government.
Georgia had program to try to cut down on the number of wild hogs that were overpopulated. So, they paid people a price per tail. Soon enough, you had people breeding wild hogs, so they could kill them and get the bounty.
Step 1. Buy ~$500 AR15
From where?
If you're in Mexico it would make more sense as the seller to sell it for the $1300.
If you're in the states, are you going to travel to and smuggle to Mexico?
It's not going to be perfect, and unless you can stop the guns coming from the border it's not a permanent solution, but maybe it can help a handful of struggling youngsters to stay out of gangs and crime rings.
I think Mexico should invest in building some kind of border wall to keep all of the harmful stuff from the U.S out. They could even make the U.S pay for it
Brazil did something similar a couple decades ago and it helped reduce numbers of violent crimes to some extent. The numbers were constantly going up year after year and this iniative made it go down drastically, but it continued going up at the same rate as it did before. After a decade or so it was already at the same rate as it used to be before they got the guns - and it kept going further up since
Interesting. Did the buyback offer eventually expire, or the buyback rates not increase? If either were the case, renewing it might continue to have benefits. Like I said, a good solution but not a permanent one.
Maybe guns will stop coming across the boarder if they ask the CIA nicely?
but maybe it can help a handful of struggling youngsters to stay out of gangs and crime rings.
Nah. Mexico needs a cultural shift for that to happen.
Too many of them revere gang violence, which is why it's so prevalent in their society.
Unfortunately, you have to be a citizen to take advantage of the deal. That’s a huge paycheck for an AK though.
I'm pretty sure you could make a deal with a local. Only trouble is getting an AK47 over the boarder.
Just thinking about this a bit more now; in the world we live in, and considering the number of guns in the USA... if Mexico allowed for this program to go on for a while the USA could potentially inadvertently bankrupt the Mexican economy in gun-buybacks. It's kinda funny in a scary as fuck way.
I wonder how much gun running usually makes per AK.
Just like with US buybacks, they will get guns that would never be used in a homicide, unless it were stolen.
What?!
You know guns last longer than people right?
Even if never sold and never stolen, they will eventually be inherited.
Like, you know great grandma didn't really move to a farm upstate, right?
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Pretty much a lot of those guns are stolen.
And the same with other countries buybacks. The government gets sold a load of trashed/trashy guns, sellers get money for better guns.
Still fewer weapons 🤷
Unfortunately so long as they border the US guns will be widely available. One of many reasons concerns about guns entering the US from Mexico are silly
I'll pay $1400 for the machine gun. Let's do this.
Fuck this autoplay video bullshit.
Surely they mean submachine gun? Or are there Brownings on the streets of Mexico?
What’s the legal difference in Mexico between an AK and a machine gun? If the $1200 is for a semi AK, it’s only an extra $100 for a select fire one?
Would be too bad if there was one or more organisations in Mexico with the means to import arms from abroad to make big bucks with this. Bonus for using the money to fund illegal operations.
Generally buyback programs are a success because they reduce the amount of guns.
Sorry you would rather pretend in some made up situation that there is an infinite amount of guns and nothing can be done to stop the unlimited flow of guns.
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