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[–] AAA@feddit.org 7 points 3 hours ago

Not in particular. We need to be more self sufficient in general.

[–] albert180@discuss.tchncs.de 48 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (5 children)

Yes.

But first we need to deal with the traitors Orban and Fico.

Then we need to establish our own defence capabilities and reduce the dependencies on US companies for digital capabilities. (Get rid of Windows and US companies in the entire public sector.) Buy European, this will also Support our Economy.

Thirdly we should integrate closer with other countries also fucked over by Trump, like Canada

EDIT: Fourth - High Tariffs for all countries which don't adhere roughly to our environmental and social Standards. To avoid a Race to the bottom with globalisation. Free Trade with everyone else

[–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 9 points 4 hours ago

But first we need to deal with the traitors Orban and Fico.

Yea, that would be great. Instead it is becoming a central European triangle of annoyance with the addition of Kickl.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 hours ago

OrbΓ‘n is already happening, there is hope. He is steadily polling in the minority.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 9 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Thirdly we should integrate closer with other countries also fucked over by Trump, like Canada

Remember, too, that Canada has a sea border with France and a land border with Denmark. We're basically the Netherlands. Let's all be friends!

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 1 points 18 minutes ago

Only when you let go of Poutine.

[–] Wahots@pawb.social 3 points 1 hour ago

I don't know if you wanna do that. PP is probably going to start eating Canada within the next election cycle, in October. Though the status of France (National Rally), Germany (AfD), Italy, Hungary, and the UK (Nigel Farage is up to shit) worries me a lot. Short term (20 years), I think we are going to see many of our friends and allies regressing until we either slowly beat them back, or have a giant world war.

We should all support each other, but also be clear-eyed that times of plenty and peace might be temporarily behind us because so many people are bored.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 16 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Thirdly we should integrate closer with other countries also fucked over by Trump, like Canada

Please do we need to support one another!

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 15 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Please take us with you.

We can start small; let us into Eurovision. You let Austrailia in - well, they're basically antipodous to us, so give Canada a go too.

After that, let's add some more spice. Maybe some trade agreements, or study-abroad programmes for exchange students. Then we can really turn up the heat, if you catch my drift.

[–] JonhhyWanker@sh.itjust.works 2 points 58 minutes ago

Ooh, that would be nice! Kick out Israel while we're at it.

[–] sepiroth154@feddit.nl 8 points 5 hours ago

Okay, we let you into Eurovision, you ship us poutine. This could definitely work.

[–] geography082@lemm.ee 4 points 5 hours ago

I will... Vote on you

[–] PortoPeople@lemm.ee 18 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Yes.

The re-election of Trump proved they are no longer leaders of the free world. That mantle must be taken up by the EU now.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 0 points 14 minutes ago* (last edited 13 minutes ago)

Leaders of the free world

The most oppressive regime and the ex colonial super powers leading the "free world". Sure pal.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 hours ago

We thought it was already taken up by Germany, but then that regime changed a bit.

But yeah -- the EU itself is now the leadership.

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 20 points 6 hours ago

Well, clickbait title obviously, but the EU will have little choice but to treat US based social media similar to how TikTok is viewed in the US, i.e. operated by a potentially hostile actor.

This is IMHO long overdue, but it comes with the inevitable splintering of public opinion space a bit similar to how there is little overlap with the Chinese or Russian one (but for those the main reason was language barrier).

[–] Vaggumon@lemm.ee 10 points 6 hours ago

As an American who never voted for the felon, yes. It's time for America to die.

[–] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 7 points 5 hours ago

Not America, just the USA

[–] Majorllama@lemmy.world 9 points 6 hours ago

I say go for it. Let's see who's thinking about their ex more in a few years.

[–] Chuymatt@beehaw.org 3 points 5 hours ago

Do it. We are not going to be salvageable.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 hours ago

EU can't even manage Orban, so why would one expect a viable approach to American fascist oligarchy?

[–] sxan@midwest.social 3 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

Please don't. We need all the help we can get.

[–] SapphireSphinx@feddit.org 22 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Your country is actively attacking our democracies and is threatening war over an European oversea territory.

We need all the help we can get.

Help with what? We cannot resist for you. That is something you have to do yourself outside of social media.

[–] daddy32@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

Yeah. I thought that after election, the insane clown president would screw Europe by stoping support for Ukraine and supporting the russian bear instead. I didn't, in my darkest dreams expect him to actually threaten to attack his allies and let his dog fund the actual fascists in Europe, undermining the stability in the classic russian mixed warfare style.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I don't blame any country that doesn't want to help us, we've been screwing over other countries for a long time. We need to fix our shit here before we reenter the global stage. We need to start producing quality things and people again, we need to have a more humanitarian posture on the world strange. Unfortunately, very few currently aligned with the power structure here is on board with that, so they need to go as well.

[–] sxan@midwest.social 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

I'm pinning my hopes on Gen-Z. Boomers are dying, us Gen-X were too influenced my Boomers, Millenials... well, I really hope Gen-Z has their collective shit together by the time they're running things.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Truth be told, I don't think we have time to wait for gen z to come of age. I don't think we even have 10 years before shit gets hairy here.

[–] sxan@midwest.social 1 points 1 hour ago

I personally think it's too late, but I get jumped on for being a "doomer," so I try to stay outwardly optimistic.

But, yeah: we're doomed.

[–] AlijahTheMediocre@lemmy.world 10 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Gotta help ourselves first. Why should they give aid for a fight we are unwilling to wage?

I hope that this is just a temporary setback in the long term. Europe and North America's relationship is a unique one that would be terrible to loose.

[–] Mihies@programming.dev 5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

You mean you need tariffs and want to get rid of Greenland?

[–] sxan@midwest.social 2 points 1 hour ago

I mean Elizabeth May was shooting too low by offering that Canada take Washington, Oregon, and California. I was offended! Why not Minnesota?? We share a border and a Great Lake, and most of Canada's population already lives South of Minneapolis/St. Paul! Why weren't we invited?

[–] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk -1 points 4 hours ago

Is it time to fuck off with YouTube "jOuRnALisM"?