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Steve Lee Hayes, a 65-year-old American tourist, was arrested in Tokyo for allegedly carving family members’ names into a wooden Torii gate at the Meiji Shrine.

Surveillance footage led police to his hotel, where he was detained.

Hayes admitted to the act, which could result in up to three years in prison or a fine of 300,000 yen ($1,900).

The Meiji Shrine, a significant Shinto site, was built in 1920 to honor Emperor Meiji and Empress Shoken. The incident occurs amid a surge in international tourism to Japan this year.

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He’s cooked.

For the unaware, Japan has like a 99.9% conviction rate after arrests, because they basically don’t arrest unless they’re absolutely 100% positive that they can secure a conviction. The suspect also has no right to an attorney, and police abuse is common; Even if you’re innocent, they’ll just keep you in an interrogation room without any food or water for 72 hours until you “confess”. They’ll literally just rotate cops into the interrogation room, without giving you a break for food or sleep.

And Japanese prisons are some of the strictest. You’re basically expected to remain silent, and every moment of your time is accounted for. You get like 20 minutes to eat each meal (in your cell) and then like 30 minutes of “recreational” time outside, where you’re expected to kneel in place in an empty courtyard. Moving to and from your cell is akin to old elementary schools where everyone would have to line up single file and silently walk from one place to the next while following the teacher. And that’s pretty much your daily routine for the entire time you’re in. You sit in your cell, slam down what little food you get, silently walk to the courtyard, silently kneel for 30 minutes, silently walk back to your cell, and slam down dinner before bedtime. Any deviation is dealt with swiftly and violently by the guards.

Japan has a very skewed idea of criminal justice, because the prevailing attitude is that if you’re in prison, you must have done something to deserve it. It’s sort of a cyclical problem, where their insanely high conviction rate means that the public already assumes suspects are guilty before they have even been convicted.

[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 17 points 10 hours ago

Asshole should have his passport revoked on top of being jailed.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 16 points 12 hours ago

As he should be, what an absolute moron.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 12 points 12 hours ago

what a stupid fuck

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 19 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Oh. I thought maybe he ate a banana on an offering plate or something culturally ambiguous

He fucking carved his name into wood? That's never OK anywhere

[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 17 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

That’s a slap on the wrist if they only impose the fine. That should be a five year jail sentence at least.

You cannot act like a dick like this in other countries. Defacing a religious site no less.

[–] Boxscape@lemmy.sdf.org 23 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
[–] WindyRebel@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago

Looks like the Temu version of Bannon.

[–] clutchtwopointzero@lemmy.world 13 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Why people want to carve names on stuff... It's the same people who write their names on bathroom doors

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago

No idea but it’s been going on for millennia

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 4 points 16 hours ago

Bathrooms are like the only place this is OK...but do it in sharpie so it can easily be removed

[–] A_Filthy_Weeaboo@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago

Like how dumb do you have to be?

... Checks timeline. Oh thats the norm...

[–] x4740N@lemm.ee 5 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Good, americans act like this and they get the consequences they deserve

[–] WhyFlip@lemmy.world 10 points 19 hours ago

If anyone acts like this they get the consequences.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 91 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Put that fuckin Boomer in prison for 3 years.

[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Bordering on Gen X but anyone this disrespectful is still a boomer. They need to jail him. A fine is too easy.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 4 points 10 hours ago

Genx is 1965 – 1980.

At 65, he's 6 years too old to be Gen X.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I was under the impression that gen x started in the mid 60s, whereas 65 would put this guy at 1959ish

[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I said bordering for a few reasons. One it is close, i.e. bordering at the change. Two being that I know some people right at that near generational change (same age actually) act way less boomer and more gen x. People aren't hard lines in the sand like dates. So people born around that generational shift can swing either way. Way more thought than I wanted to explain about an offhanded comment, but there you go.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Lol all good man. It certainly seems like everyone has their own interpretation of generational cutoffs, but you make a good point of how people born near the cusps can swing either way in terms of identity.

[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

I feel it myself honestly. I'm in the Xennial range. I don't fit standard Millennial tropes generally, but also don't really fit Gen X either. Just somewhere in limbo lol

[–] Twitches@lemm.ee 119 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Prison would be most appropriate.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 73 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The fine sure seems low for defacing an important religious shrine.

[–] Dagnet@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Not sure that shrine in particular but I do think torii gates in some shrines are replaced somewhat often. At Inari they had business names behind them which I assume are the 'sponsors' of that torii, probably they pay to have the gate fixed and I imagine that brings luck to that business. In short, he might have been lucky to deface the least critical part of the shrine.

[–] boatswain@infosec.pub 2 points 11 hours ago

My understanding is that the business names are there because Inari is a kami associated with merchants and businesspeople. They donate a gate, slap the company name on it, and Inari provides.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's good at least. I'd hate to think this was a century old (or whatever) torii he defaced.

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[–] parpol@programming.dev 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The toriis at meiji jingu are gigantic. It would unfortunately cost millions to replace one.

[–] Dagnet@lemmy.world 6 points 23 hours ago

Then the sentence makes no sense to me

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[–] villainy@lemmy.world 81 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I could have guessed he was over 60 because he wasn't live streaming the whole thing. Just an old school asshole, not an influencer.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago

All that really proves is that people don't need YouTube to do things for attention.

[–] GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 52 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Americans being dumb cunts. What a surprise.

[–] Tug@kbin.earth 36 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Like our election didn't give it away?

[–] GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The rest of the world has known this for years.

[–] Kayday@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

So have we.

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