I just played this as a board game with my friends. They decided that pineapple on pizza is worse than Donald Trump. My hope in humanity is shattered.
this post was submitted on 15 Nov 2024
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That is crazy. I can't think of any part of Donald Trump that I would want on my pizza.
Aren't we always chanting "eat the rich"? I'd be fine with the food poisoning, hell even the brain eating prions, if it means he won't be president.
Touché
yes, if you change the problem, you change the way we respond. that's why there's so many trolley problems spin offs in the first place
The artist just immortalized in a strip that does not understand the trolley problem.
It understands it just fine. Agency is not a factor in the decision. The choice between action and inaction doesn't matter. People think it matters because people are driven by shortsighted emotions.
I think the thing that people often don’t seem to understand about the trolley problem is that it doesn’t have a “single version”, it’s a framework for exploring human decision making. And the correct answer, it’s all a matter of perspective. For example, if all of drag’s friends were on one side of the track, and on the other side of the track, were a number of people who drag does not know, equal to the number of drag’s friends plus one, would drag kill their friends, or the innocent people?
Yeah exactly, the trolley problem is just like a benchmark of moral and ethics, the outcome is irrelevant. The thought process is what is relevant.
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Agency might matter depending on societal context. 5 hot guys might be worse than 1 hot guy in a world with limited resources, for example.
Everyone knows that 5 of something is usually better than 1. The dilemma comes from finding a situation where that might not be true, and therein exploring some quirks of our own humanity.
It goes too far when people interpret these quirks as fundamental human traits, but there is genuine merit in testing oneself with fun hypotheticals
testing oneself with fun hypotheticals
fun
you've got a peculiar taste for fun, I must admit
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to be fair, I don't disagree, and discussing things like that or pondering them can be fun, but I still wouldn't expect such a choice of words 😅
Trolley problems can be directly mapped to those "would you rather" drinking games. e.g. Would you have sex with your dad to save your mum's life?
The question is meaningless in a normal context, the answer is meaningless in a normal context, but it's fun to explore your limits in strange circumstances, no?
That's true, there's even a party game that consists solely of controversial topics to talk about, not even this kind of weird ones
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So philosophical debate on this topic is meaningless, because utilitarism is obviously correct?
Please take off your clothes and lay down here, I have five patients in desperate need of organ transplants.
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What a crock of shit. Living with the knowledge that you killed someone isn't shortsighted, it's tragic. You pulling the trigger to switch the trolley to kill only the 1 person can and will have consequences on your own mental health.
And the comic isn't even about the choice between action and inaction, it's about "Oh wow, 5>1, this dilemma is easy lol" - nah, even if you make it purely about the numbers - unless you're a fucking psychopath, you're not gonna kill your newborn to save 5 strangers.
Living with knowing you did nothing to save 4 people may affect you as badly. To be fair, the person doing the choice is fucked up both ways, if ey is not a sociopath.
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Don’t bother trying to explain philosophy directly to people online. We’re so convinced of our own intelligence that we refuse to consider that our knee-jerk reaction to anything might be worth exploring.
If you want people to learn anything, you have to first of all tell them that they’re right, then add whatever you’re trying to teach them as if it’s some nuance of whatever they’re right about. Even if it makes their original opinion completely wrong. It works surprisingly often.
Our egos have an outer layer of armor that prevents us from easily absorbing ideas unless they have a starting point of agreeing with whatever we already believe.
True for most sadly. But not for all.
I'm happy to be proven wrong. It means I learned something that day. And I love learning new things.
I feel the same way, but it’s good to be aware of our own biases - there’s a bit of an aphorism that goes around about advertising and propaganda, that it works best on people who think it doesn’t work on them. If we think we’re immune to something, we let our guard down a bit. I used to think of myself as a very rational, intelligent, realistic guy, but in recent years I came to realise that I was kind of using that to protect my ego - I was wrong about a lot of things, and I could always find excuses to justify my beliefs as rational.
Maybe I still make the same flaw, I don’t know. Nowadays, I try to stay more focused on being nice than being right. That way, even if I’m wrong, I’m not making people’s day worse.
I’m not always successful with that.
Self awareness is doubt. If you're doubting you haven't stopped improving. You're doing well, based on what you've said - keep it up :)
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Just put explosives collars on a bunch of murderers and rapists. Need superpowers just press a button and kill one murderer off.
Also a spin-off where Trolley Man cures incurable patients one by one using sacrifices of 5
Issue #1 or 5? You decide!
This got a bonus chuckle from me.
Can Trolley Man at least multi-track drift?
I keep seeing this image, were ist from?
"collateral damage"
Still saves more lives than Homelander
Isn't Homelander a villain though? I thought he was supposed to be a villain.
Edit: NM I didn't realize Homelander was from The Boys. I honestly thought he was the guy in Guardians of The Galaxy 3
Edit 2: Apparently that character's name is Adam Warlock.
The multiple layers of confusion gave me a laugh, thank you.
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The best part is that, by refusing to be killed themselves, they are making a choice to let the other people die, rendering their hypocrisy evident and their worry fully rendered moot
Yeah, but what if it was a ship full of assholes? I got shopping to do.
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It's close to the second ghost rider (and maybe the first, been awhile since I dug up my old comics) who didn't have powers until innocent blood was spilled (though typically it was the villain who spilled it).
I would read the shit out of this but 5 people I have never and will never meet who nobody knows will die painlessly and I’m just not sure of the moral implications.
The Dave Chappelle bit about Bill Cosby being a superhero.... but he rapes.
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