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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 23 points 2 days ago

So you admit that emulation is the best way to preserve old forms of interactive media?

[–] Pyflixia@kbin.melroy.org 256 points 3 days ago (49 children)

You see...

It's okay when THEY do it.

It's not okay when YOU do it.

That's how they function.

[–] Signtist@lemm.ee 116 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Well yeah, as the owners they have the exclusive right to determine what's okay. They're just following the rules as they've been laid out by centuries of corporate lobbying for more exploitable copyright laws. Those are what we need to focus on if we want more fair use of intellectual property that the rights holder has already sufficiently profited from - the thing that such protections were initially meant to ensure to a much more reasonable extent.

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[–] JTskulk@lemmy.world 70 points 3 days ago (9 children)

Eww extremely embarrassing that they used Windows.

[–] kworpy@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago (3 children)
[–] Hupf@feddit.org 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Getting a personality by dressing their PC exactly the same as anyone else? Sounds right!

[–] kworpy@lemm.ee 0 points 1 day ago

i never disputed that??

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[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 62 points 3 days ago (1 children)

pull a WordPress and force a TOS in the license to say you cannot be affiliated with Nintendo in any way in order to use this software.

they want to emulate their hardware? then they can build their own emulator.

[–] bitwolf@lemmy.one 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I believe they do have their own emulator. It logically would be what powers the Nintendo arcade

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago (3 children)

folks thought the same for the Genesis and Atari flashbacks but some tinkering found they were using FOSS emulation. IMO FOSS projects should start charging companies that use their products dependent on scale.

The thing is, we know Nintendo does have in-house developed emulators that they used for Virtual Console and then NSO and the Classic Edition.

It's fairly likely they didn't take the effort to port those to PC for the museum, but still.

[–] Float@startrek.website 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I assume most FOSS emulators have a non-commercial license, so if a company is using it to make money they are already violating the law, but who is gonna go after Nintendo for that?

[–] socksy@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If they had that, they'd no longer be FOSS and instead "source available" and half the community will raise the pitch forks. Best FOSS licence to protect against this sort of thing is AGPL because it's toxic for corporations. But even that could be used in this case if they had the source on the same computer imo (IANAL though)

[–] Float@startrek.website 1 points 1 day ago

Good to know, ty!

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[–] doctortran@lemm.ee 76 points 3 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (16 children)

Just for the record, this is exactly what any museum would do, because they're not going to actually run anything on the original hardware. Those systems are part of the collection, and it behooves a museum to not put any wear on them.

Also because emulators can be managed remotely.

[–] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago (2 children)

In other words, emulators are crucial for game preservation? This shows that Nintendo knows that, and when they say it's not the case, they're not simply wrong, they're lying.

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[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 62 points 3 days ago

Any other museum wouldn't be a hypocrite for doing so.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago (5 children)

This is a "Museum" run by Nintendo in Japan. Meaning they could have used or even created more original hardware to run the titles, but instead cut costs by using the same Emulators that they're hoping to take down.

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[–] DarkMetatron@feddit.org 29 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (18 children)

That is highly depending on the type of Museum. Many Videogame and Computer Museums (at least in Germany) are showing the real Hardware running, some are even allowing the visitors to use and play at the old machines. And yes, they are often very used to repairing the hardware too.

I would expect from Nintendo that they would show and use real hardware in their museum, and not some emulators. Because I can see the games on an emulator at home (for example using my Switch Online or my SNES Classic), I don't need a museum for that experience.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 69 points 3 days ago (6 children)

I would not be at all surprised if the Switch NES and SNES emulators are running an open source emulator that they've tried to shut down.

Throwback to the NES Classic ROM having a ripper/uploader’s signature in the game code. Because Nintendo didn’t ever bother archiving their own games, and just downloaded ROMs from the same sites they were trying to shut down.

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[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 84 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I mean...

All of those mini consoles (NES mini, SNES mini) are already SOCs with an emulator.

[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 40 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Corps are shameless. No amount of hypocrisy is enough to make them reconsider their evil.

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[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 39 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Nintendo: Emulation is illegal, criminal, and you should never ever do it. If you do, we will sue your ass, send the Pinks, and then shit fury on you!!!

Also Nintendo:


Needless to say, I will not be buying an alarm clock today.

[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (5 children)

That's not at all Nintendo's philosophy.

They literally included emulation starting with the wii

So it is more of a rules for thee but not for me situation. Not you should never ever do it but you should only do it on our hardware with our emulators

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[–] Nexy@lemmy.sdf.org 30 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I can see Nintendo shutting down his own museum for piratery.

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago (5 children)

if its under GPL couldn't they be forced to disclose the source code?

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[–] PunchingWood@lemmy.world 38 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (10 children)

I was joking when in a previous post about the museum I said it better not run on any emulators..

So.. Why aren't they selling said emulators and roms? I ain't gonna travel half the world to play one in an overpriced museum.

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