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Supreme Court Justice John Roberts has been left "shaken" by the unexpected public reaction to his ruling in the Donald Trumppresidential immunity case, a columnist wrote Friday.

Slate's judicial writer Dahlia Lithwick wrote that Roberts was left shocked that Americans didn't buy his attempt to persuade them that his ruling was not about Trump, but instead focused on the office of the presidency. The court ruled that a president was largely immune from criminal prosecution for official actions.

Lithwick referenced a report by CNN's Joan Biskupic. He “was shaken by the adverse public reaction to his decision affording [Donald] Trump substantial immunity from criminal prosecution," she wrote.

"His protestations that the case concerned the presidency, not Trump, held little currency.”

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[–] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 217 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

He’s not serious. Roberts is an arch conservative and has been for a long time. This is posturing to try and paint himself as a moderate, like he has been doing since before he was appointed to the bench. Fuck him.

[–] karashta@lemm.ee 93 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"You mean my radical and insane interpretations of the law are insane and radical?".

Yeah, he fucking knows and is a piece of shit like the rest of these disingenuous monsters

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[–] Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

How could he possibly have been surprised by the response? They are with 9 judges. Three vehemently disagreed with the ruling and even Barret partially disagreed. It’s not like he was looking for some compromise ruling that all judges signed onto. Pathetic reporting.

[–] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 12 points 2 weeks ago

He wasn’t. He’s trying to maintain the image that he’s above the fray while being deep in it

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 weeks ago

I second that. FUCK this guy.

[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The Extreme Court has made itself irrelevant, useless and obsolete.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

None of that is true in any way. They are a relevant, useful, very much still in use, tool for conservatives to undermine democracy. I don't understand why you chose a single one of those descriptors.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 124 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

Unexpected? How the fuck is backlash about a ruling saying the President is above the law unexpected?

[–] Myxomatosis@lemmy.world 68 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

For real. He’s either being completely disingenuous or he’s really that much of an oblivious asshole.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 38 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Unbelievably, he managed to underestimate the political awareness of the US public to his office. The bar was already on the floor.

[–] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

More like digging required.

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[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago

Exactly. How can he claim to be shocked when the dissent told him why he's a monster? Dude is a liar.

[–] Omodi@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

He has gotten away with it for along time.

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[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 97 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

He should be. There is no way that the constitution had immunity in mind for the president. George Washington would be flipping some tables in the supreme court if he was alive.

The fact that the Supreme Court gave themselves the ability to effectively unilaterally write federal laws with Marbury v Madison was already massively overstepping bounds and the concept of checks and balances.

We need to overturn Marbury v Madison.

[–] kmartburrito@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

They would all be challenged to gentlemen's duels so quickly, for abdicating their honor.

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[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 90 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

He doesn’t fear enough.

Assuming I believe anything he says in the first place. We are so divided that he won’t see consequences.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 48 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Tbh I’m low-key waiting for someone to try taking a shot at one or more members of the Tribunal of Six. They’re so obviously standing in the way of progress in so many ways. They’re only appointed for life, after all. Someone’s going to take advantage of the darker side of that statement at some point. Roberts and his ilk should be scared.

[–] IMongoose@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago

Ya, idk why people are surprised about the consequences of one party trying its damnedest to make the last box of liberty the only protected box. Like, what did they expect?

[–] djsoren19@yiffit.net 14 points 2 weeks ago

It's honestly wild that two people have tried to take a shot at Trump first. Trump's just a useful idiot to these fuckers, the real assholes that are destroying our country are the ones on the Supreme Court.

[–] Myxomatosis@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

Actions have consequences.

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[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 83 points 2 weeks ago

Shaken?! SHAKEN?

Like like the women of America were shaken when their rights to bodily autonomy were taken from them?

Or like when the American people were shaken when they discovered that our nation's checks and balanced were completely corrupted? That they will do nothing to stop a dictatorship and the end of democracy?

Or shaken by the knowledge that the highest court in the country is colluding with the lower courts to bring specific cases through the appeals systems so they can make predetermined rulings, effectively writing their own laws and subverting the basic foundation of law in our country?

Shaken. Yeah, go fuck yourself Roberts.

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 61 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

Maybe this columnist thinks he's "shaken", but I doubt it. The reason he acted in a more moderate way before was that the Christian Nationalist justices didn't have a strong majority and the ability to impose their agenda with impunity. The minute they had a 6-3 majority, he knew they could do whatever they wanted, and they have.

The only thing we can do about it now is elect as many Dems as possible to the House and Senate and pressure them to impose term limits and expand the Court, things that should have been done a long time ago.

And please, regardless of whether you think your vote for POTUS will count, vote anyway and fill out your full ballot because you have much more influence on your State legislature and local offices, which is where so many things that affect your life are decided.

[–] KnitWit@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Every single time the SC does something outrageous some version of this article comes out proclaiming his deep held belief in justice and whatever else. And every time it is complete bullshit.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

It's like some journalists fucking fanfic desperately wishing that these people's consciouses are eating them up inside. Meanwhile they go home to their mansions and continue to happily live their comfortable lives. It's not even that they know they won't face consequences for their actions (which they won't), it's that they think they have done nothing wrong at all. They believe themselves to be morally in the right.

"Shaken"? Don't kid yourself. He's as content and happy as a pig in shit.

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[–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 58 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don’t want him feeling “shaken”. I want him to know, deep down, undeniably to the very core of his soul, that he is a blight on humanity. He is devoid of honor and value by any moral measure. His existence on earth and in this society has done vastly more harm than good and humanity would have been better off if he had never been born. I want him to wake up every day and feel that more deeply and truly than he can feel his own breathing.

Then the rest of the list, too: Trump, Mitch McConnell, Steve Bannon, Roger Stone, Rupert Murdoch, Roger Ailes, Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity. Alito, Kavanaugh, Thomas, Barrett. Gym Jordan, Mike Johnson. Steve Miller, the list goes on and on. Selfish monsters that I only wish knew how little they deserve the lives they live.

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[–] ATDA@lemmy.world 49 points 2 weeks ago

Fuck him. Burn in hell fuck face.

[–] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 48 points 2 weeks ago

You mean the one where he ruled that the United States has a government of men, and not of laws?

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 48 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I really want someone to press one of these people on camera.

"Donald Trump has promised at multiple rallies to end the democratic process by eliminating the need to vote, and this is extremely dangerous to our democracy, therefore it is an official act of the office e of the president to order a hit on DJT, Seal teams 3 and 5 are en-route now. Such an act is official, and necessary for the country to survive therefore Joe Biden is completely immune from any prosecution."

I just want to know for sure what the reaction would be. I'm sure pearl clutching indignation (because someone thought of their idea but flipped the victims around)

[–] quink@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It's really a situation that ought to resolve itself. If the justices vote anything as an official act is perfectly legal, then threaten those justices that voted that way with violence, assassination, nothing is off the table apparently as long as it's an official act, and reverse that decision with the remaining justices, done and dusted.

I really don't see the problem here. It's all been declared perfectly legal, nothing is off the table, it sends a strong message that this democracy will be maintained by whatever means necessary, and that as long as the president is Democrat at least, then any attempt at an all powerful king or Führer will automatically undo itself. An abrogation of power done through wielding that very power itself would be a beautiful thing to behold.

In fact, the Supreme Court justices would make a better target than Trump himself even. Trump is a political rival and it could be argued that it's Biden supporting the election of a candidate from his own party. Meanwhile targetting the Supreme Court justices would be defending basic democracy, fighting for the freedom from a despotic tyrant - the very supposed foundation of the country we're talking about, changing the composition of the Supreme Court and weakening the powers of the presidency itself, which definitely sounds like official acts rather than those of a candidate or private individual.

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 44 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

He's an out of touch rich asshole. I'm less surprised at his shock than I am surprised by him giving a fuck.

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[–] Myxomatosis@lemmy.world 43 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Boo hoo, fucking cry baby. Corrupt SCOTUS is too insulated from their terrible decisions.

[–] llamatron@lemmy.world 43 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Bullshit.

If he didn't expect it then he's a moron.

He is not a moron.

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[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 41 points 2 weeks ago

Roberts was left shocked that Americans didn’t buy his attempt to persuade them that his ruling was not about Trump, but instead focused on the office of the presidency. The court ruled that a president was largely immune from criminal prosecution for official actions.

AND WHICH FUCKING PRESIDENT'S ACTIONS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE, JOHN?

[–] MummifiedClient5000@feddit.dk 36 points 2 weeks ago

Can't a man undermine democracy in peace now?

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 34 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Good. He deserves all of it for making such an obviously partisan and foolish ruling.

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[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Shaken? Right because you weren't being a partisan hack when the special counsel asked to skip straight to proceedings because they knew the court wanted to issue a ruling and you drug your feet buying donald time. Then handed him powers not afforded in the constitution. But keep clutching those pearls.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Shaken?

And?

He will forget about it quickly. Until it comes back to haunt him. Then he will engage in mental gymnastics to justify it.

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[–] sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago

People like him dont get shaken about the opinions of the commoners. He couldnt possibly care less.

[–] NounsAndWords@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago

I'm kind of okay with it. Nobody is doing more to advocate for and bring awareness to the need to expand the Supreme Court right now than this fucking guy.

[–] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago

Oh he’s shocked everyone else doesn’t suck trump dick?

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

well la de da. fuck him.

[–] mPony@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

This is why The French invented things.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

What this says to me is that he and other members of his majority live in a kind of bubble.

What this says to me is a veteran reporter covering the SCROTUS is just now realizing this.

[–] n0m4n@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

Why is there a presumption of immunity? Even when there is clear self-serving corruption, the presumption of immunity takes precedence. This will go down in history as an abysmally bad decision.

[–] boydster@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 weeks ago

Good. Now fucking resign.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

Won't somebody think of the oligarchy!

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