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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/20788199

Jessica Corbett
Sep 27, 2024

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[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 102 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Just war crime after war crime at this point.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 65 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

And why not? He has virtually unlimited U.S. weapons as well as bi-partisan support from U.S. politicians. It's as though we're just setting our attack dog loose on everyone.

It's fucking astonishing that we have any relationship with Israel at all these days. The U.S. gets absolutely nothing out of this one-sided relationship.

Israel offers us:

-No unique strategic military position (we have that area covered already).

-No high-value industrial benefits (no natural resources or unique trade).

-No military arsenal or manpower support (their arsenal comes from us and their personnel is quite limited).

It's time to let them make friends with their neighbors on their own. They don't need us to do that and we sure as fuck don't need them.

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The US is a parent sitting and watching its problem child beat the shit out of the other children in the playpark. Other concerned parents keep asking the US to do something, to which they shrug and say "kids will be kids, what can you do" while handing their child a knuckleduster.

[–] Spiralvortexisalie@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Hacking and Blackmail are Israeli strengths. The two most common theories I hear are that that elected officials are impressed with the Israeli hacking capabilities and rather keep them on our side, or they are actively exploiting those capabilities to bend politicians to their will. Seeing how Israel operates in public with innocent civilians it seems rather obvious our predicament.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Israel controlling politicians via blackmail seems to be the obvious truth for a long time.

Also a lot of technologies and systems good for collecting material for blackmail come from Israel or are associated with it. ICQ and Viber, for example. While Telegram is apparently unofficially associated.

There were rumors of Epstein's connections to Israel and that his island was most of intended for collecting such material.

There's plenty of spyware coming from Israel sold to governments and such.

There have been a few Israeli operations of the nature supporting that spying is what they do most, and exactly in the way most convenient for blackmail, and all the rest being secondary.

But these are not as important as for Israelis themselves it being absolutely normal to say that yes, that's what Mossad does and should do, that's its job - to get power base for Israel's interests, blackmail of politicians and any crime involved. They put it in that "desperate need for survival" framing, but it's the common idea for them.

And while what Israel does currently is disgusting, I would dream of Armenians ever having such an influence net. With very few limitations on means to achieve it.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

The problem with hacking and intelligence is they're vulnerable to hard power. In other words you can hack stuff but you're not going to hack your way out of Delta raiding your office. If Israel is using their hacking and intelligence to blackmail politicians then they're constantly one fuck away from "find out".

[–] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But they do have AIPAC, which likes to pedal its influence into local US politics.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Agreed! (Emphasis on the "greed")

[–] WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Main thing the US gets from Israel is Market Capital Export.

Israel accounts for what, like 30-40% of all recent American acquired startups?

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Do you have a source for this?

My understanding is the primary trade between the U.S and Israel is diamonds. We each export over $1B worth of diamonds and also each import over $1B worth of diamonds between one another. In the past year, the U.S. imported about half a billion dollars more from Israel than it exported to Israel (again mostly diamonds in both directions).

The diamond trade between our countries does not justify our participation in unnecessary wars (or genocides) in my opinion. It seems unlikely to be the reason we are so committed to this relationship. I think AIPAC's financial involvement in our elections represents a much bigger reason we support Israel.

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[–] mojo_raisin@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Unfortunately, as long as we leave political offices to be filled by the worst of us this will continue. Voting is only half the battle.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 64 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Biden instantly sending 8 Billion dollars in weapons really says it all. The US is planning to let Netanyahu bomb everything he wants. When they strike back in kind the US will use it as a pretense send in troops to start a war with Iran.

A smart move by Netanyahu. He knows he needs to get rid of Iran or they will outpace Israel. Now that Israel fully controls America this is the time to start their war with Iran with impunity.

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Biden instantly sending 8 Billion dollars in weapons

Wasn't this before the bombing?

Edit: source

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

One day before the bombing of Nasrallah (with advance knowledge and US cooperation). But after Israel started their recent Lebanon bombing campaign.

[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 month ago

Everything the US does starts to make sense when you realize the US government is fully owned by lobbyists and wealthy donors. The Military Industrial Complex is a trillion dollar for-profit industry with the deepest pockets in the world. The capitalists who profit from it effectively own our country.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

They don't fully control America though. Most of us didn't even realize the actual situation until this year. The Palestinians just got lumped in under terrorism and that was that. The new media exposure is turning that around. If you look at our response to apartheid in South Africa it's tracking pretty closely. The halls of power didn't want to care and the people forced them to care.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (4 children)

The worst part is the behavior of Netanyahu's Israel is making people sympathetic to facism and Nazism, something unseen since the 1930s.

[–] davepleasebehave@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

it's quite easy to detest Nazis and Zionists.

very similar ideologies

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[–] orrk@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

The behavior of Netanyahu isn't making people sympathetic to fascism nor German fascism. the behavior of Netanyahu is literally fascist, the people calling out against Netanyahu are literally the opposite of sympathetic to fascism, fascism is way more than "Jew bad", in fact the whole antisemitism is more coincidental as Jews were a larger minority group, and fascism targeted all minority groups, with Jews being the largest they also had a larger target on their backs in comparisons to other groups that also went off to the camps.

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[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 51 points 1 month ago

Best I can do is giving him more bombs

[–] Marleyinoc@lemmy.world 50 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The companies making military weapons and gear for Israel can be found here according to AFSC.

The US has committed grants to Israel to buy weapons through 2028. It's benefiting the above corporations. While not all US based, it still is just another example of our corporate overlords fiucking the world over for profits).

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Is there somewhere they are separated by country? Would be helpful to people who want to know what they should demonstrate against in their country.

[–] Cornpop@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

He’s dead. Article states he lived.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Reagab stopped them from doing this exact same thing 40 years ago. Anyone still gonna say this administration isn't more Zionist than usual?

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Hasn't every administration slowed them down except for Biden's?

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Trump. Obama was the last one to hold them accountable for anything.

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