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Gosh, imagine that... the party that wants to turn women into forced breeders isn't popular with the people they want to turn into forced breeders.
The actually surprising shift is that Gen Z men are more conservative and less likely to identify as supporting feminists than Millenials.
Maybe edginess? I feel like the majority of the male youth has to rebell against what their parents did and so it flip flops back and forth.
That and the crisis of masculinity in a machismo culture which is being actively used against them by idiots everywhere.
Hasan Piker has a great tweet about this
There's nothing more manly than being respectful towards women. Just ask women.
Being respectful to people regardless of gender?
I stand corrected.
Admitting you're wrong is also pretty manly. Good shit brother.
Yea - I think folks like Jordan Peterson (apologies from Canada) and Tate managed to own a lot of headspace in Gen Z when they were teens and in college and we're only just seeing the fallout of those deeply toxic influences.
I do not think it's exclusive to males. Maybe it's more common in men, but I have definitely seen women do it as well.
When you use Andrew Tate as a role model in not surprised.
I don’t find that hard to believe at all, young men are not fans of feminism and it’s affecting their judgment of leftist economic policies.
And propagandists are exploiting that as well. They feel all their issues with the changes in dating and relationships in general are the fault of "the left" and women in general, there are no shortage of people waiting to jump on those points for their own financial and political gain.
agreed, and this is not unique to the US. Europe and UK are struggling with it as well.
The problem in marketing feminism to young men is it many of them have not personally experienced, or at least understood, how being a man gives them advantages in society as opposed to women. Young men also have a difficult time understanding how easily they can be viewed as toxic, creepy, or even dangerous without self control and respect for others.
I wish I had an answer, most of the young men in my life are more right leaning and think "feminazi" is a legitimate wat to describe left leaning people.
Most men have experienced the stifling gender norms that force them into a box: they're not allowed to cry or show any feeling other than anger, there's no such thing as non-sexual touch or romance, women don't like sex so trying to get close to them is inherently rapey and goes against their desires.
Feminism fights against that trap, that men are only men if they check certain boxes. That's what's toxic: telling men they're not allowed to be certain ways.
So yeah, feminism does have a lot to offer men. Toxic societal expectations are bad for everyone.
Totally agree. Even back in the 70s, the wonderful feminist movie/record Free To Be You and Me (with songs like “It’s All Right to Cry” sung by an NFL player) was at least as much about men not being defined a certain way as it was about women.
I think one hurdle for men right off the bat is the fact that it’s called “feminism”. That makes it clear that it has something to offer women, but doesn’t make it obvious that it has something to offer men too, so they don’t give it an open mind.
(I’m not actually saying that I think the name should change, and in fact the movement could potentially drift away from its core mission over time if the name didn’t have women as the focus. Just saying it’s a hurdle.)
The actually surprising shift is that Gen Z men are more conservative and less likely to identify as supporting feminists than Millenials.
I don't know how common it is, but I saw a specific instance on social media (I want to say instagram?) where the comments on something were ordered and displayed (some hidden) completely differently based upon the user's gender. Just based upon that single profile attribute the entire comments sections looked completely different.
Because of social media and assholes like andrew tate and stephen crowder.
They’re gonna be stunned when they realize those fucknuts did not tell them how to actually get a girlfriend.
I think those stories were a little overblown. They're less likely to be feminists but that doesn't mean they're more conservative. The IPSOS study is full of loaded questions and nothing to actually nail down what men think of women's rights. Just feel stuff like, "are you a feminist? Has women's rights gone too far in your country? Are men asked to do too much?"
What they needed to ask was actual policy questions, "should women receive the same pay as men? Should women be able to hold office and work jobs? Are there jobs that should be off limits to women?"
I'm willing to bet you'll find more gen Z answering yes yes no, while also believing the feminist movement has gone too far.
"Feminism" is like philosophy in that over time it makes certain wins, and the discussion around that topic gradually sheds the label.
In the same way that ancient philosophers were establishing the disciplines we now call mathematics, geometry, and physics, or early modern philosophers were establishing what we now call economics and political science, and mid-century/postwar philosophers were establishing what is now called computer science and information theory, the history of feminism is notching wins and making them normal:
Today, many of us who were alive when these rules were in effect think of them as totally backwards. Nobody is seriously advocating for a return to denying women the right to have their own bank accounts, or giving husbands the right to rape their wives without consequences.
But the cultural understanding of the meaning of feminism rarely considers preserving past wins, even recent wins. People only think of it as fighting for something in the future.
That's because it's not the same feminist movement as it was when millennials were gen z's age.
The last questions are what feminism used to be (what millennials liked). Nowadays, however, feminism is plagued by not-feminist people, that instead of wanting equality want women superiority. That's the feminism gen z knows about, and the men don't like it. That's also the reason they answer "no" to "are you a feminist?" But they support actual feminist policies. The definition of feminism has changed.
EDIT: just for reference: my county (Spain) recently put porn under a passport with limited uses per month. Why did they do that? They claim feminism. Does that sound like feminism to you?
I think people are so easily swayed by what they’re told about themselves that very often when the women are told that they’re more liberal, they adopt it to be good group members, and when the men are told that they’re more conservative, they adopt it to be good group members.
Edit: Which is not intended to counter what you said about forced breeders, which is absolutely true.
Alt headline: Republican party worse than it has ever been thanks to fundamentalist dingbats and narcissistic sociopaths
We have enough librul women…We need more leftist ladies.
This article actually describes women supporting leftism. It's just that the USA only supports right-wing ideologies like liberalism. The MSM can't even admit or understand that leftism is a thing.
Yet Congress is basically a tie...
Because not enough people vote during midterms. You can't have a progressive congress by not voting in midterms.
I know Republicans have taken away a Women's Right to Healthcare while Empowering Men's Right to Rape and now want to take away a Women's Right to Divorce but this is FAKE NEWS! REAL WOMEN are Republican and REAL WOMEN Vote for the Party who want to allow Fathers to Rape their Daughters!
They've moved the goal posts farther than they've ever been before, then accused the disenfranchised next generation of being radical.
Obviously this is because of Marxist professors or whatever it was Elon said and not at all because conservatives seemingly saw the handmaid's tale and decided that it was an instructions manual
I mean sure because conservative women are supposed to be either stuck in the kitchen and nursing children, a husband's sex slave or a mouthpiece advocating for the first two.
Social conservative positions have just gone off the rocker and left most women behind, being mocked, insulted and threatened. Examples are the childless cat lady comment and recently Musk's abhorrent outburst re: Ms. Swift.
One party selected a rapist as a presidential candidate and has repealed healthcare rights. I don't think it puzzling why they aren't popular amongst women.