Fucker has the nerve to call Walz a traitor for retiring after 24 years of service when his runningmate incited an actual goddamn insurrection and he, himself, is a fucking turncoat...
this post was submitted on 07 Aug 2024
163 points (96.6% liked)
politics
19126 readers
2283 users here now
Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!
Rules:
- Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.
Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.
Example:
- Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
- Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
- No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
- Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
- No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
That's all the rules!
Civic Links
• Congressional Awards Program
• Library of Congress Legislative Resources
• U.S. House of Representatives
Partnered Communities:
• News
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
Don't get mad. That's what they want.
Get weirded out.
Because that's what they deserve. Said by Mr. Walz himself.
Calling a serviceman a traitor? Fucking weird. It makes no sense, man. Where do they get that weird logic from? Buncha weirdos.
Calling a serviceman a traitor? Fucking weird.
I mean, Michael Flynn exists.
Who is also really weird
Oh right. I forgot about that one.
This is the weirdest shit I've heard all day!
Yeah. That’s kind of weird, don’t you think?
And yet completely avoiding service because of "bone spurs" is totally acceptable.
It's really really difficult to take any attacks on Walz's service seriously while captain bone spurs leads the party.
And disrespected fallen soldiers at a cemetery.
And not any cemetery, Arlington National Cemetery.
captain bone spurs
Private Bone Spurs.
Also threatening his children of disinheritance if they serve in the military.
He's just butthurt that Walz said he wouldn't get off the couch to debate him.
There you go. That's what it is.
It's a classic "no u" retort. It was ineffective.
Since I had to look it up:
Since the 2004 election, the term [Swiftboating] has come to commonly refer to a political attack that is dishonest, personal, and unfair.
I just aged like Matt Damon at the end of Saving Private Ryan.
Especially if it's attacking military service.
Have to make up innocuous sounding word rather than just say ASSHOLE SAYS SHITTY THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. "Journalists" literally can't.
He’s trying. For reference, Vance did 4 years active duty in the USMC in Public Affairs.
Walz, on the other hand, served for 24 years and reached the highest possible rank of NCO, which is basically the most badass thing you can be in the regular sectors of the military (and in the aggregate the most critical for its good operation.)
TLDR: Tim Walz's record trumps Vance's any fucking day of the week.
NCO isn't considered bad ass but is absolutely given all due respect. You'll salute NCO's just like any other officer, but you know he's less likely to give you shit about uniform reqs. My favorite grey beards were always the Short TImer NCO's that didn't have 2 fucks to rub together about protocol.
Another thing is Tim should whip out his Rack and slap Vance with his silver oak clusters.Vance didn't even get a GWOT! Vance only has a couple participation trophies. Walz has a bonafied 3" rack.
What? You two both are talking like you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Tim Walz was a Command Sergeant Major, which makes him an E9. This is no longer an NCO, this is a SNCO or Senior Non Commissioned Officer. You also don't salute any enlisted members; E1 or E9, it doesn't matter, you don't salute them. Becoming E9 is quite prestigious though as it is the only enlisted rank to get DV status at bases (at least Air Force bases which I can attest to having spent 10 years in the Air Force myself).
Maybe not in the air force but it's totally a thing for secret agent Delta Recon SEAL Raider Green Berets like aodhswhateverthefuck up there. They're so elite, they'll even salute civilians.
Lol, I don't think they ever claimed to be the military. They're both just confidently incorrect. Technically, there is one civilian who regularly gets saluted, the president.
That's a fair point, I was just enjoying the image of the average "I was gonna join but..." doing sloppy dive rolls down supermarket aisles and saluting anything that moved.
I saw that and immediately thought of Tom Cruise's character in the beginning of Edge of Tomorrow.
But like the meme version. Erdge erv Termerrerr.
Yes, it's bizarre that this doesn't get specifically cited in an article where Vance is criticising his opponent's involvement in a war. All we get is this very vague line:
Vance is a former Marine who was deployed to Iraq.
Vance was a combat correspondent, yes. We'll see how much he tries to press this issue, he has previously stated ^[1] he was lucky to escape any major fighting, but he was definitely in Iraq.
I don't think Walz has ever claimed to have seen active combat, so the stolen valor accusation falls a little flat - not that that's going to stop republicans.
Ask a Marine, still a pog.
Yup. Same for me, but yup.
I give it a week before Republicans start building conspiracy theories about Walz's time in China and facilitating student trips to China.
Don't forget he speaks a little Mandarin.
The Mandarin-ion Candidate!
They already are calling them paid vacations or indoctrination trips on Facebook.
Remember kids, Trump was a draft dodger
And not the respectable kind dodging out of objection to the wars. Nope. He was just a coward who dodged because his daddy could afford to pay a doctor to say he had bone spurs.
Look. I'm not ACCUSING Shady Vance of being a #CouchFucker. It's just that SOMEBODY has to ask these tough questions.
Remember when Rove Swiftboated Tammy Duckworth? Woman lost her legs while piloting a helicopter. She was cut in two. He still had the balls to question her valor. Worked too. But, she ran again and now is a Senator. This is a common Republican ploy.
Of course.
JD Vance, accused his opponent of “stolen valor garbage” and accused him of having “abandoned” his unit in 2005 ahead of a planned deployment to Iraq.
Vance blasted Tim Walz on the campaign trail Wednesday as stories have reemerged from his 2018 run for governor of veterans criticizing him at the time for “embellishing” his military career. Retired veterans at the time said in a Facebook post that Walz retired from his 24-year tenure in the National Guard after learning that his battalion would be deployed to Iraq.