Any system capable of manipulating the outcomes of international conflict needs to become property of the government via eminent domain...especially if that system is used...especially if used by an entrepreneur operating without oversight.
this post was submitted on 07 Sep 2023
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Can we start treating billionaires as rogue nations unto themselves? Because that's frankly how they act.
I think technically they're more "terrorists" than "rogue nations"
Fucking charge him with something. This is insane... If it's not treason, it sure as hell is undermining the billions of dollars in aid were sending Ukraine. We've sent 76 billion dollars so far.
Stop trying to tell a private citizen and businessman what he can and can’t do with his own business
Exactly, you can't have your cake and eat it - if we want to live in a sane and moral world we shouldn't let private citizens own things that are important, especially not satellite infrastructure
Elon is not the president, a leader, the military, nor a government. This parasite should be in a prison or a brig at the very least. This is fucking treason.
Wow, this thread. All he did was switching off his satellite network though, not somehow sabotaged the operation.
All the doctor did was switch off life support 🤷♂️ it's not like they forced the patient's body to shut down.
Real "Stanly was attacked by his own heart" vibes.
But it's more like it's doctor's own life support system and the patient connected himself to it.
imagine being so brainwashed that you think owning the life support machine morally entitles you to decide who is kept alive with it.
Imagine being so brainwashed that you think since someone else owns a life support machine, you have the right to use it to kill people you don’t like.
Weird how the thrust of your statement doesn't change regardless of the status of ownership
Nope. In this case the doctors machine isn’t a life support system, it’s more like an xray machine. The ownership remains the doctors the entire time. The doctor chooses to stop a patient who wants to use the machine to kill another patient.its his machine to begin with. The ONLY morally correct decision is to not allow it. Get mad at the doctor all you want, at the end of the day you’re advocating for murder.
You honestly think who owns the tool being used changes the morality of murder?
Nevermind that we're actually talking about war between nation states, not a doctor stopping a hospital patient from, erm, repeatedly shooting someone else with X-ray radiation?
What a silly allegory you've come up with
Lol the ownership of the tool is not at what the point is. The point is that you and many others think Elon is somehow obligated to assist Ukraine in killing Russians with his tools. Not only is he not obligated, he is morally obligated to NOT help them. The morality of murder doesn't change, the only thing changing is the vast majority of brain washed peons who think Elon is somehow responsible for Ukrainian deaths. I changed the tool to x-ray because in this case, Starlink is not a tool that is designed to kill or keep alive, only aide in communication. In this situation, Ukraine wanted to use this tool to kill. Fuck anyone that thinks this is okay. Fuck anyone knocking elon for denying it. Unlike the vast majority of users here, I am an actual combat vet who has experienced these things first hand. It's easy for anyone to sit behind a computer desk and dehumanize people because of their country. No different than the piece of shit politicians making money off the backs of these murders.
If you can't see this point or comprehend these allegories then perhaps you're part of the problem.
Good argument, but where do you draw the line? You can save someone right now by an act of a good will, but do you do it?
Well, the USA and EU also attach conditions on delivered weapons - not to be used against targets in Russia. Also, maybe he is afraid of Russians shooting down his satellites, as they threatened to do.
It seems like privatization is working out great for us 👍
I know it's an anathema to most in the US but the government needs to step up and take Starlink and Space X off Musk for a fair price. He's way too unstable to be trusted with tech that important.
Is this not treason? Like legitimately, technically.
It may be a violation of the Logan Act, which makes it illegal for private citizens to interfere with foreign relations.
This is a great article on the subject posted recently:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/08/28/elon-musks-shadow-rule
Throw him in jail. That's it, an individual has disengaged from America elected leadership to act as an independent agent. Also known as: a spy.
Like is this even a debate? Any citizen that did this would be in a CIA black site hoping they got to see their family again.
But the truly galaxy brain move is in this article:
After CNN’s reporting, Musk reversed course, tweeting “the hell with it … we’ll just keep funding Ukraine govt for free.”
Gwynne Shotwell, Musk’s president at SpaceX, was livid at Musk’s reversal, according to Isaacson.
“The Pentagon had a $145 million check ready to hand to me, literally,” Isaacson quotes Shotwell as saying. “Then Elon succumbed to the bullshit on Twitter and to the haters at the Pentagon who leaked the story.”
Musk is a war criminal. This is a crime against humanity.
It's neither of those things. Words have meanings, and legal terms have very specific meanings.
Hey look a rational person.
This makes Musk a foreign agent by definition, unwitting, semi-witting or otherwise this is textbook foreign agent behavior.
If true, my respect for Musk just dropped a .... well, none at all. It would be totally in character.
Thank goodness for our titans of industry. Musk saves the planet yet again by averting nuclear war! What will he accomplish next?
I mean if a person does anything directly affecting a war (for any side) I'd say that person is a wartime volunteer.
Wartime volunteers that have taken up arms are a absolutely viable target for military strikes.
Just saying 🤷♂️
So there is an Elon piss-tape kompromat?
If he's not careful the US will simply nationalize SpaceX. It's not going to happen in the next couple of years, but this kind of shit will cause it to happen eventually.
What a fucking douche. As usual.
“How am I in this war?” Musk asked Isaacson. “Starlink was not meant to be involved in wars. It was so people can watch Netflix and chill and get online for school and do good peaceful things, not drone strikes.”
Throw that fuck in prison and nationalize all his shit.
Muskovite belongs in prison with the other russian war criminals.
No crazy person should be allowed to have this much power. Starlink should be nationalized, and instead of a payout Elon can go to jail for all that market manipulation he's constantly getting away with.
“Starlink was not meant to be involved in wars. It was so people can watch Netflix and chill and get online for school and do good peaceful things, not drone strikes.”
Yes my satellite that is actively being used in a war should be designed only for Netflix and chill.
Smells like a war crime to me
From the moment he gutted 80% of twitter staff very soon after a secret meeting with Putin, its all been pretty obvious Musk is a Russian asset. Twitter helped rally international support for Ukraine and he hasnt been subtle in sabotaging it
I don't know why he gave them internet in first place. UA infrastructures are not impacted, you can even watch TV or IPTV.
Can we recall that only the north east border of Ukraine is under attack, can't we ?
The totality of evidence for this is "a drone stopped working for a bit". It's just baseless waffle.