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[–] Veraticus@lib.lgbt 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Sure.

Bill Gates and the Gates Foundation will probably eradicate polio.

Before people jump on the bandwagon about how Gates is evil and problematic, that there are no virtuous billionaires, and a government or an NGO or an equivalent should have been the one to do it... I know. But the question was "name one billionaire that's done anything good," and I think it's pretty difficult to argue that eradicating polio isn't good.

[–] nonearther@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On same tone, Warren Buffet.

He has also donated billions in the same charity and largely lives controversy free.

[–] insomniac@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The company he’s synonymous with is very much not controversy free

[–] richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

However, one can posit that the Gates Foundation is creating a market for vaccines that aren't of interest in the industrialized nations.

I'm not sure that subsequent doses are going to be provided as generously as the first ones.

[–] Vlyn@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's not how vaccines work. The illness is already there, it's not like people get sick after you introduce a vaccine into the system. So the "market" has always been there and every dose administered is great.

[–] richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You don't understand my point.

  • Sick people receive vaccines for free or very cheap
  • Sick people gets hope of survival to disease, hope which wasn't previously available.
  • Sick people ask their governments to continue receiving vaccines.
  • People providing vacciones now are charging a lot more to said governments.
  • Profit (which was the whole point, and not any "humanitarian" notions.)

And the market wasn't there, because unless there's some way to create high demand and guaranteed payment in poor countries, there's no profit in said vaccines (or any medication, for that matter; do you see any multinational farmaceutical companies giving much thought to the creation of medicine to cure Chagas disease? And it's endemic in many areas of South America. But those are poor areas, so the is no profit there).

[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The problem with your argument is that the Gates foundation is a non-profit. They aren't trying to make a profit, they've burned through tens of billions of dollars in the past 20 years.

Are you arguing that countries should just let people die from polio rather than accept humanitarian aid or am I missing something?

[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago

Some More News went into detail on why the “non-profit” label, especially for billionaires’ charity funds, is bullshit: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=69AtkAHkKEc

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bill gates, also the guy who spent loads of time on epsteins island banging children. I guess it evens out /s

[–] wahming@monyet.cc 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pretty easy to find the connections on google. Try it. Start with his divorce and work backward. Just because you love him doesn’t mean he didn’t do bad things.

[–] wahming@monyet.cc 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah, the classic 'Do your own research'

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee -4 points 1 year ago

Ahh the classic dismissive “source?”

Anything good?

Then all of them. They are human beings, not black holes of pure evil.

[–] Squirrel@thelemmy.club 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Good acts do not make a good person. Plenty of billionaires have done good things, but they don't even come close to outweighing the bad.

[–] quat@lemmy.sdfeu.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A good act does not wash out the bad, nor a bad act the good. Each should have its own reward.

[–] Squirrel@thelemmy.club 1 points 1 year ago

True, and they generally get ample praise for the good. The bad has, unfortunately, rewarded them with their billions.

[–] Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I love a quote I read once in a thing about alignment. "If you fix twenty neighbor's roofs, you're Jimmy the Helpful Thatcher. But if you eat the neighbor's daughter, you're Jimmy the Cannibal, and no amount of additional carpentry assistance will change that."

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

Traditionally this joke is:

Bad Scottish Accent Engaged

I build 200 ships, do they call me Seamus the shipbuilder? Nae.

I paint 100 houses, do they call me Seamus the Housepainter? Nae.

But ye fuck one sheep...

[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 3 points 1 year ago

Mark Cuban is a bit of a wall street asshole, but he’s created a drug company to slash the prices of generic drugs for Americans: https://www.npr.org/2022/01/24/1075344246/mark-cuban-pharmacy#:~:text=Billionaire%20investor%20and%20Dallas%20Mavericks,of%20its%20online%20pharmacy%20Wednesday.

[–] hoodlem@hoodlem.me 2 points 1 year ago

There’s a lot. In the late 1800s it started becoming something of a tradition for billionaires to move on to philanthropy after their retirement. J.D. Rockefeller was worth several hundred billion dollars in today’s money. He gave away close to 200 billion of it.

A more modern example that people have brought up is Bill Gates.

[–] Anamnesis@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

It's pretty easy to come up with some things billionaires have done that are good. Bill Gates funding cures and prevention of diseases in the third world is one that comes to mind.

Now, if we're talking about finding an example of a billionaire whose life is on balance a good thing for humanity...that's pretty much impossible.

[–] Synthead@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A single good thing that a single billionaire has done? The Gates foundation fighting malaria. I think that's good.

[–] Powerpoint@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Taxing them would do even more good.

[–] TheDarkKnight@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Is the topic of the thread called “Should we tax billionaires” or was it “I dare you to name one good thing a billionaire has done”?

[–] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

Sure but, considering they use only 5% of the money they have for all there "good" projects and invest the ither 95% in fossil fuels. The gates Foundation is really only a little good because the law forces them to use min of 5%, to stay tax exempt. So if they didn't have to, would they still do it? I doubt that.

[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This query is counterproductively reductive. Every human alive, even the worst of them, has done at least one good thing. Many even do their bad things because they were misled to believe they were doing an overall good.

The point should be that it doesn't matter what good they've done, because the state of being a billionaire necessarily requires one to have done more net bad to the world than good. You could save a million lives by your own hand, but if you're a billionaire, it is a given that you have destroyed far more lives than that. No billionaire's heart was ever weighed by Anubis and judged worthy of the Field of Reeds.

All of them, without exception, end up as greasy streaks on the gleaming teeth of Ammit.

[–] Flumsy@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bill Gates. (Has donated money to charity and founded one himself).

[–] theshatterstone54@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Has donated money to his own charoty to aviod taxes and then did donations to manipulate world politics for his own agenda

There, FTFY

[–] Flumsy@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

He donated money before having founded his charity.

[–] ricecake@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Brian Acton is the only billionaire I can think of that hasn't been a net negative.

Co-founded WhatsApp, which became popular with few employees. Sold the service at a reasonable rate.
Sold the business for a stupid large sum of money, and generously compensated employees as part of the buyout.
Left the buying company, Facebook, rather than do actions he considered unethical, at great personal expense ($800M).

Proceeded to cofound signal, which is an open, and privacy focused messaging system which he has basically bankrolled while it finds financial stability.

He also has been steadily giving away most of his money to charitable causes.

Billionaires are bad because they get that way by exploiting some combination of workers, customers or society.
In the extremely unlikely circumstance where a handful of people make something fairly priced that nearly everybody wants, and then uses the wealth for good, there's nothing intrinsically wrong with being that person.
Selling messaging to a few billion people for $1 a lifetime is a way to do that.

[–] Elderos@lemmings.world 1 points 1 year ago

Makes sense that suddenly becoming billionaire with every intention to not remain one by turning into a force of good is arguably one way to be a decent human. In other words, the only good billionaires are those not trying to be, or remain billionaires.

There is also a point where you have to be smart and patient with how you distribute your money, or else you simply risk some other greedy asshole to pocket it.

David Koch died, which is a very good thing he did for humanity.

[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

Elon Musk helped mastodon grow

[–] Stuka@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

ITT: people who can't understand the difference between doing something good and being good.

Of course there are plenty of billionaires who have done good things, and pointing out all the ways they are still a shit person doesn't change that. Shitty people occasionally do good things, even if for shitty reasons.

[–] Lols@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

is this a psyop? surely its a psyop

youd probably have a hard time naming one billionaire that hasnt done anything good

theyre still a shit thing to have, practically never got the money they have by being a good person and shouldnt exist in the same world as homeless people, starvation or massively underfunded public projects

[–] arefx@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Gabe Newell is the least shitty billionaire I can think of, I'm not sure what he does for philanthropy though but at least it doesn't seem like he tries to influence the country for his benefit.

[–] Firipu@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago

The submarine dude that got rid of a few more in one go?

[–] DeadWorld@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Didn't one of the Koch brothers die? That was pretty cool.

[–] hruzgar@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Elon Musk. I know you guys hate him somehow but. HE DID build reusable rockets. HE DID build electric cars. HE DID restore Free Speech even though you guys somehow don't agree with that because people now can say anything they want and you can't live in your own little bubble without any criticism anymore (on twitter). And that's not what left wingers want lol.

His EMPLOYEES build reusable rockets. His EMPLOYEES built electric cars. Even if he participated in this process he would be on a supporting role. Similar to a janitor on spacex, a guy that maybe enables the real pros to do good stuff. (the janitor may actually be more important than musk tbh)

He did NOT restore free speech on twitter. Many activists a still being silenced every day. He gives their data to authoritarian goverments who have journalists executed. Free speech is about freedom from goverment retaliation and he actively aids goverments in suppressing free speech.

[–] skookumasfrig@sopuli.xyz -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Chuck Feeney. He gave away everything to charities.

Edit: it was around 8bn.