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[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 63 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

OP has discovered Tapirs exist.

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 62 points 1 year ago

Fun fact: tapir before defrag

[–] andioop@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago

I cannot help but see this as a diaper pattern…

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

Oh man, I knew I had seen this pattern somewhere.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Pro tip: Defragmenting only works on spinning drives because it puts the data nearer to the spindle so seek times are shorter. Solid-state drives wear out faster if you defragment them, since every write involves a little bit of damage.

[–] vocornflakes@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was about to throw hands, but then I learned something new about how SSDs store data in pre-argument research. My poor SSDs. I've been killing them.

[–] Kenny@feddit.de 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No you didn‘t. All somewhat current operating systems do not defrag SSDs, they just run TRIM and it does not kill them.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Most modern OSeses do defragmentation on the fly and you don't really need to do it anymore.

Which makes me sad because I have so many memories of watching a disk defragmenter do its thing from my childhood.

[–] greybeard@lemmy.one 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Here's a little game I made because I missed it too. https://dbeta.com/games/webdefragger/

[–] indepndnt@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] greybeard@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thanks. It was a silly toy, but it scratched an itch, and was good for at least one chuckle.

[–] Kenny@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

I loved watching disk defragmenter doing it‘s job as a kid. I miss it too!

real actually. definitely one of the most memorable progress bars. well, that and the bios update progress bar

[–] Alawami@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Random reads are still slower than sequential in SSD. try torrenting for a year on SSD, then benchmark then defragment then benchmark. it will be very measureable difference. you may need some linux filesystem like XFS as im not sure if there is a way to defrag SSDs in windows.

[–] LazerFX@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

That's because the drive was written to its limits; the defrag runs a TRIM command that safely releases and resets empty sectors. Random reads and sequential reads /on clean drives that are regularly TRIMmed/ are within random variance of each other.

Source: ran large scale data collection for a data centre when SSDs were relatively new to the company so focused a lot on it, plus lots of data from various sectors since.

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[–] lseif@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

well, defragging my ssd was the only thing that let me shrink the windows partition safely when i dualbooted... tho maybe thats just windows being funky

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

You just don't want to do it regularly. It was an issue for a brief time when SSDs were new, but modern operating systems are smart enough to exclude SSDs from scheduled defrags.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That kinda makes sense. Putting all the partition sectors together would probably make it easier to resize. But as standard maintenance it's like changing the oil on an electric car.

[–] lseif@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago
[–] RonSijm@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Defragging an SSD on a modern OS just runs a TRIM command. So probably when you wanted to shrink the windows partition, there was still a bunch of garbage data on the SSD that was "marked for deletion" but didn't fully go through the entire delete cycle of the SSD.

So "windows being funky" was just it making you do a "defragmentation" for the purpose of trimming to prepare to partition it. But I don't really see why they don't just do a TRIM inside the partition process, instead of making you do it manually through defrag

[–] lseif@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

i used Defraggler, after nothing else worked to allow diskmgmt to shrink it, including all the normal stuff like disabling page files, snapshots, etc. it shows me how it was reordering parts of the ssd.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ahh. TV shows before everything became political. Just two guys hating each other for very silly reasons completely unconnected to anything on earth.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The tail is a different partition?

[–] towerful@programming.dev 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

This sounds like it could be right, but I don’t know enough about zebra tails.

[–] Portosian@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 year ago

Now it's a Z:\bra

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 1 year ago

It runs much faster now.

[–] s12@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I thought zebras were solid state.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

They're striped RAIDS, obviously.

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Actually they're mostly water.

[–] s12@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

Well defraging liquid state sounds like a bad idea too.

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[–] Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Defragged cows. System files cannot be moved.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If they stand close enough and you scan them with a barcode scanner, they show up in the system as beef, but for only $0.21/per pound.

[–] Emmie@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

How much is dog meat these days anyways dear husky?

[–] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm glad you defragged it, rather than fragged it..

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

EXT4 watching NTFS solve its fragment problem by upgrading to SSDs instead of upgrading their allocation algorithm.

[–] alien@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bruv this is #4 top lemmy post of the day... how did we get here

[–] ZombieMantis@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

By defragging the zebra, duh

It's very relatable