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Link to comic: https://xkcd.com/2821/

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[–] Vigge93@lemmy.world 108 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I spent way too long trying to figure out why the guy and the ice cream shop were flying, and how he would move horizontally in he air...

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I couldn't tell what I was looking at until I searched for an explanation. All I could see was a person falling into some water past a floating ice cream stall. It's supposed to be a beach:

https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2821:_Path_Minimization

[–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 21 points 1 year ago

"we have a beach at home"

the beach in question

[–] demlet@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I just thought it was two dudes racing to get ice cream first.

[–] ma11en@lemmy.world 68 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Alt text.

Of course you get an ice cream cone for the swimmer too! You're not a monster

[–] teft@startrek.website 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Now I want to see someone swimming with a cone of ice cream in each hand.

[–] roguetrick@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

You want me to wear my swim trunks or get a bikini.. Warning before your answer: only one body type has the bouyancy to pull it off.

[–] anonymoose@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Thanks, was disappointed about no alt text 🙏

[–] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 57 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is simply polite to include a link to the original https://xkcd.com/2821 as per the Artist's desires.

Yes, I saw the explain, but that isn't to the actual origin.

Edited and added it. Thanks for the heads up

[–] 6mementomori@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

and I thought this had to do with light refraction lol

[–] triclops6@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago

I mean, it kinda does?

[–] Chrobin@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It does: Light does not follow the path of minimal distance between two points, but the path of minimal time. This is called Fermat's principle.
Because water has a higher refraction index than air, light is slower in it and therefore takes a longer time to travel through it. Thus, it takes less time to take a longer path that spends more time in the air.
Fun fact: The underlying law of this principle is the principle of least action. This is the most basic law of nature we know of and can be used to derive all of physics.

[–] Malfeasant@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

So... Nature is lazy?

[–] 6mementomori@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd add to this that, if I'm not mistaken, it's because light takes all possible paths and the average measured time is longer

[–] crossover@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The probability of a path it takes is the sum of all possible paths. Richard Feynman uses this exact swimmer in the water example during one of his lectures of physics.

[–] Jakylla@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If like me you can't see the picutre of the post, here is the original image:

revealxkcd #2821

[–] WndyLady@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What's up with that? I can't see any of the pictures hosted here.

[–] colforge@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

I’m not positive but it might be due to the steps the Lemm.ee admin is taking to combat the CSAM uploads that have been happening and prevent the server’s administration team from being liable for potentially harmful and illegal images being hosted on their server.

[–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Path that maximises time would be some kind of space-filling curve. Maybe it does that off panel?

[–] EricKendrick@feddit.uk 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Basically, yes. The path that maximises time goes around the world, so starts by going up off the top of the screen, and re-enters at the bottom.

Technically I think it could be a little longer by spiralling around the world several times, still reaching the target point despite going “in a straight line”. If we ignore the “straight line” restriction, which some of the other paths already do, then the sky’s the limit. Technically actually, the sky isn’t the limit, and the path could criss-cross over the whole planet first, and the air, and the whole galaxy, before reaching the destination as the last feasible space to arrive at. Personally I think that’s too complex for xkcd, if they are going for complex I’m sure they would have come up with something about paths through n-space and black-hole theory that is beyond my pay grade.

Xkcd good ;)

[–] Magikjak@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

It’s the path that maximises time, not distance. Technically the path that maximises time could look the same as the path that minimises distance, they could just sit down and wait decades until a minute before they die of natural causes and then get up and head to the end, and that’s assuming that they need to arrive alive.

[–] Jorgelino328@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It would have to be a different panel but you could draw it as the whole screen being black except of the character and the destination.

[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

If it's a space filling curve as Octoperson suggested, it wouldn't need to be big. Isn't a space filling curve infinite length if its offset is infinitesimal?

[–] vox@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

path that maximizes time? just don't move. at all

[–] Gladaed@feddit.de 1 points 11 months ago

It's to do with light paths and diffraction. The time maximising path still hast to be a valid path.

[–] BallzofFury@lemmy.one 12 points 1 year ago

Somehow he keeps on making awesome stuff, after all these years

[–] set_secret@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

this was our first physics lesson in year 11 in the 90s

Who could've guessed that you were training to be google maps so early?

[–] Jorgelino328@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Shouldn't the path that maximizes time have its line go through literally everywhere in the globe rather than just going around it once?

[–] GrimSheeper@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, but by then the ice cream has melted

We need a calculation using the speed at which ice cream melts and the max distance he could walk.

[–] nergal@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

The path that maximizes time would just be going back and forth and not approaching the endpoint.

[–] JazzAlien@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Thanks for reminding me that I have completely brain dumped all of trigonometry

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I feel it's a missed opportunity to exclude the ice cream sales and drowning deaths correlation, but that's just me. I like the maximal time route goes up, though.